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Re: [Phys-L] [External] Re: Ex: Re: media trustworthiness, or lack thereof (was VSL)

I wonder why politics is brought up here, and why the moderator does not
simply kick people off. I would. The tap-l listserv is not like this. It's
strictly about physics, which is what phys-l should be.

On Wed, Feb 10, 2021 at 4:43 PM Paul Lulai <> wrote:

Here is the truth.

This list was once a valuable place to discuss physics. The number of
participants has dropped in recent years. It is now obvious this is the
home for self-important old white men that don't trust anyone but
themselves, people that look like them, and the institutions that empower
Enjoy your time on this flat-earth island.
I don't say this out of hate. It is out of frustration. Most of the rest
of the educated world has moved on from the flat-Earth theory. I'm with
I'm leaving this list and going to discuss physics on twitter. Those
physics conversations are actually physics conversations.
Shame on you for representing education and physics in this amazingly
self-focussed manner.
Peace & Equality.

Paul Lulai
High School Science Teacher


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On Wed, Feb 10, 2021 at 2:56 PM LaMontagne, Bob via Phys-l <> wrote:


This is just partisan nonsense that does not belong here. Your leftist
rant is no more appropriate than if I gave mine from a right-wing view.
It's not science - it's opinion - and offensive in its shallowness.

Bob at PC
From: Phys-l <> on behalf of John
Mallinckrodt <>
Sent: Monday, February 8, 2021 1:40 PM
To: Phys-L: Forum for Physics Teachers <>
Subject: [External] Re: [Phys-L] Ex: Re: media trustworthiness, or lack
thereof (was VSL)


With all due respect, your attack on the mainstream news media, your
suggestion that widely respected fact-checkers can't be trusted, and
all your contention that doing your own fact-checking is the only
appropriate recourse, is swiftly belied by your own continuing defense
of a
former one-term president who brazenly, transparently lied to the
people tens of thousands of times, who completely abandoned any effort to
address a raging pandemic that has killed half of a million Americans,
bent over backwards to accommodate and kiss the asses of America’s most
dangerous authoritarian foes, and who capped off all of that and far more
by abandoning any pretense of governing after he lost the election in
November in favor of months of telling the ultimate Big Lie—that he
didn’t—in favor of seditious conspiracy with his fellow Republicans, and
favor of the open incitement of a violent, terrorist mob that stormed and
desecrated the Capitol looking to assassinate the Vice-President and
members of Congress and that very nearly succeeded in ending American

You call yourself a scientist. Shame on you.

John Mallinckrodt

P.S. I apologize to the list for my impatience and intolerance here, but
I, for one, have simply had it with people like David Marx who, whether
be for reasons of religion, greedy self-interest, ignorance, or simply
abject stupidity—and I think we all know which one applies here—have
devoted themselves to aiding and abetting those who would throw our
two-and-a-half-century experiment in democracy in the toilet and flush it
away all the way calling themSELVES “Patriots.”

Should I be penalized with ostracism from the list for this “impolite"
outburst of IMO much-needed and long-overdue honesty, bring it on.

Never more sincerely,

John Mallinckrodt

On Feb 8, 2021, at 9:58 AM, Marx, David via Phys-l <>

While this topic is generally outside the realm of physics topics, it
relevant to epistemology. We are dependent on others to give us factual
information on which we are to make decisions. This goes far beyond
media bias. It has gotten to the point where the media crafts the
narrative to promote an outcome. That is unacceptable. I do not rely on
any news sources to give me facts. As in physics, we go to the primary
source for our information and make our own conclusions. We can't even
rely on so-called "fact checkers." We have to be our own fact checkers
when it comes to anything political, just as we read journal articles and
examine the methods and data to come to our own conclusions. Most people
though are not willing to take the time to do that fact checking, and
that's why its possible to change reality for a large part of the
population by controlling the narrative.

-----Original Message-----
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Tarara via Phys-l
Sent: Monday, February 8, 2021 11:28 AM
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Subject: Re: [Phys-L] media trustworthiness, or lack thereof (was VSL)

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How the mainstream media reports a story is not the primary problem,
IMO. What stories they choose to present can be. Compare the stories
daily on CNN, PBS, and FOX and the different agendas will quickly become
clear. Then you can use that information to evaluate the stories that
three cover.

Watch out for Trolls!

Richard W. Tarara
Professor of Physics, emeritus
Saint Mary’s College
Notre Dame, Indiana

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-----Original Message-----
From: Phys-l <> On Behalf Of Zeev Wurman
via Phys-l
Sent: Monday, February 8, 2021 10:00 AM
Cc: Zeev Wurman <>
Subject: Re: [Phys-L] media trustworthiness, or lack thereof (was VSL)

"Any legit story will be carried by
reputable sources, so there is never any need to cite disreputable

Right. Like the Hunter Biden story until Nov 3.


On Mon, Feb 8, 2021, 3:11 AM John Denker via Phys-l <>

On 2/8/21 3:20 AM, Daniel MacIsaac via Phys-l wrote:

Epoch Times is a Far Right / Falun Gong propaganda organ, see
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More generally, my policy is to not post, forward, quote, or even
a story unless I can verify it.

A good starting point is:;;sdata=kOIogYr4%2FGmfXpBOMZ9dp1UqshRTW2DAuYsnPCoGFTs%3D&amp;reserved=0

I shun anything with a factual score less than "high". Even if the
MBFC score is "mostly" factual I stay away. Any legit story will be
carried by reputable sources, so there is never any need to cite
disreputable sources.

Today's case is notorious:;;sdata=XcZjzDtBWmxbbmjfBaPS06Bgu39PUHFw7HXcs7xqtu0%3D&amp;reserved=0

«Overall, we rate The Epoch Times Right Biased and Questionable based
on the publication of pseudoscience and the promotion of propaganda
and conspiracy theories as well as numerous failed fact checks.»
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