Re: [Phys-L] [External] Re: Ex: Re: media trustworthiness, or lack thereof (was VSL)

[Anthony Lapinski <alapinski@pds.org>]

I wonder why politics is brought up here, and why the moderator does not
simply kick people off. I would. The tap-l listserv is not like this. It's
strictly about physics, which is what phys-l should be.

On Wed, Feb 10, 2021 at 4:43 PM Paul Lulai <plulai@isd282.org> wrote:

> Here is the truth.
>
> This list was once a valuable place to discuss physics.  The number of
> participants has dropped in recent years.  It is now obvious this is the
> home for self-important old white men that don't trust anyone but
> themselves, people that look like them,  and the institutions that empower
> them.
> Enjoy your time on this flat-earth island.
> I don't say this out of hate. It is out of frustration.  Most of the rest
> of the educated world has moved on from the flat-Earth theory.  I'm with
> them.
> I'm leaving this list and going to discuss physics on twitter. Those
> physics conversations are actually physics conversations.
> Shame on you for representing education and physics in this amazingly
> self-focussed manner.
> Peace & Equality.
> Paul
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> On Wed, Feb 10, 2021 at 2:56 PM LaMontagne, Bob via Phys-l <
> phys-l@mail.phys-l.org> wrote:
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> > David,
> >
> > This is just partisan nonsense that does not belong here. Your leftist
> > rant is no more appropriate than if I gave mine from a right-wing view.
> > It's not science - it's opinion - and offensive in its shallowness.
> >
> > Bob at PC
> > ________________________________
> > From: Phys-l <phys-l-bounces@mail.phys-l.org> on behalf of John
> > Mallinckrodt <ajm@cpp.edu>
> > Sent: Monday, February 8, 2021 1:40 PM
> > To: Phys-L: Forum for Physics Teachers <Phys-L@Phys-L.org>
> > Subject: [External] Re: [Phys-L] Ex: Re: media trustworthiness, or lack
> > thereof (was VSL)
> >
> > David,
> >
> > With all due respect, your attack on the mainstream news media, your
> > suggestion that widely respected fact-checkers can't be trusted, and
> above
> > all your contention that doing your own fact-checking is the only
> > appropriate recourse, is swiftly belied by your own continuing defense
> of a
> > former one-term president who brazenly, transparently lied to the
> American
> > people tens of thousands of times, who completely abandoned any effort to
> > address a raging pandemic that has killed half of a million Americans,
> who
> > bent over backwards to accommodate and kiss the asses of America’s most
> > dangerous authoritarian foes, and who capped off all of that and far more
> > by abandoning any pretense of governing after he lost the election in
> > November in favor of months of telling the ultimate Big Lie—that he
> > didn’t—in favor of seditious conspiracy with his fellow Republicans, and
> in
> > favor of the open incitement of a violent, terrorist mob that stormed and
> > desecrated the Capitol looking to assassinate the Vice-President and
> > members of Congress and that very nearly succeeded in ending American
> > democracy.
> >
> > You call yourself a scientist.  Shame on you.
> >
> > John Mallinckrodt
> >
> > P.S. I apologize to the list for my impatience and intolerance here, but
> > I, for one, have simply had it with people like David Marx who, whether
> it
> > be for reasons of religion, greedy self-interest, ignorance, or simply
> > abject stupidity—and I think we all know which one applies here—have
> > devoted themselves to aiding and abetting those who would throw our
> noble,
> > two-and-a-half-century experiment in democracy in the toilet and flush it
> > away all the way calling themSELVES “Patriots.”
> >
> > Should I be penalized with ostracism from the list for this “impolite"
> > outburst of IMO much-needed and long-overdue honesty, bring it on.
> >
> > Never more sincerely,
> >
> > John Mallinckrodt
> >
> > On Feb 8, 2021, at 9:58 AM, Marx, David via Phys-l <
> phys-l@mail.phys-l.org>
> > wrote:
> > > While this topic is generally outside the realm of physics topics, it
> is
> > relevant to epistemology.  We are dependent on others to give us factual
> > information on which we are to make decisions.  This goes far beyond
> simple
> > media bias.  It has gotten to the point where the media crafts the
> > narrative to promote an outcome.  That is unacceptable.  I do not rely on
> > any news sources to give me facts.  As in physics, we go to the primary
> > source for our information and make our own conclusions.  We can't even
> > rely on so-called "fact checkers."  We have to be our own fact checkers
> > when it comes to anything political, just as we read journal articles and
> > examine the methods and data to come to our own conclusions.  Most people
> > though are not willing to take the time to do that fact checking, and
> > that's why its possible to change reality for a large part of the
> > population by controlling the narrative.
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Phys-l <phys-l-bounces@mail.phys-l.org> On Behalf Of Richard
> > Tarara via Phys-l
> > > Sent: Monday, February 8, 2021 11:28 AM
> > > To: Phys-L@Phys-L.org
> > > Cc: Richard Tarara <rtarara@saintmarys.edu>
> > > Subject: Re: [Phys-L] media trustworthiness, or lack thereof (was VSL)
> > >
> > > [This message came from an external source. If suspicious, report to
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> > > How the mainstream media reports a story is not the primary problem,
> > IMO.  What stories they choose to present can be.  Compare the stories
> > daily on CNN, PBS, and FOX and the different agendas will quickly become
> > clear.  Then you can use that information to evaluate the stories that
> all
> > three cover.
> > > Watch out for Trolls!
> > >
> > > Richard W. Tarara
> > > Professor of Physics, emeritus
> > > Saint Mary’s College
> > > Notre Dame, Indiana
> > >
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> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Phys-l <phys-l-bounces@mail.phys-l.org> On Behalf Of Zeev Wurman
> > via Phys-l
> > > Sent: Monday, February 8, 2021 10:00 AM
> > > To: Phys-L@phys-l.org
> > > Cc: Zeev Wurman <zeev@ieee.org>
> > > Subject: Re: [Phys-L] media trustworthiness, or lack thereof (was VSL)
> > >
> > > "Any legit story will be carried by
> > > reputable sources, so there is never any need to cite disreputable
> > sources."
> > > Right. Like the Hunter Biden story until Nov 3.
> > >
> > > Zeev
> > >
> > > On Mon, Feb 8, 2021, 3:11 AM John Denker via Phys-l <
> > phys-l@mail.phys-l.org>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > On 2/8/21 3:20 AM, Daniel MacIsaac via Phys-l wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Epoch Times is a Far Right / Falun Gong propaganda organ, see
> > > > > Wikipedia
> > > > page on it
> > > > >
> https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FThe_Epoch_Times&amp;data=04%7C01%7Crlamont%40providence.edu%7C81a520d20eb2417e676808d8cc611b53%7C29196f361d5e4d2689453be41ba81178%7C1%7C0%7C637485865834660122%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=t6Kh1j2nD1EnGce9fXmhGIAqdOHVutJYZ7R2F3n03kE%3D&amp;reserved=0
> > > > Yeah.
> > > >
> > > > More generally, my policy is to not post, forward, quote, or even
> "like"
> > > > a story unless I can verify it.
> > > >
> > > > A good starting point is:
> https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmediabiasfactcheck.com%2F&amp;data=04%7C01%7Crlamont%40providence.edu%7C81a520d20eb2417e676808d8cc611b53%7C29196f361d5e4d2689453be41ba81178%7C1%7C0%7C637485865834660122%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=kOIogYr4%2FGmfXpBOMZ9dp1UqshRTW2DAuYsnPCoGFTs%3D&amp;reserved=0
> > > > I shun anything with a factual score less than "high". Even if the
> > > > MBFC score is "mostly" factual I stay away.  Any legit story will be
> > > > carried by reputable sources, so there is never any need to cite
> > disreputable sources.
> > > > Today's case is notorious:
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> > > > «Overall, we rate The Epoch Times Right Biased and Questionable based
> > > > on the publication of pseudoscience and the promotion of propaganda
> > > > and conspiracy theories as well as numerous failed fact checks.»
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