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Re: [Phys-L] [External] Re: Ex: Re: media trustworthiness, or lack thereof (was VSL)



David,

This is just partisan nonsense that does not belong here. Your leftist rant is no more appropriate than if I gave mine from a right-wing view. It's not science - it's opinion - and offensive in its shallowness.

Bob at PC
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David,

With all due respect, your attack on the mainstream news media, your suggestion that widely respected fact-checkers can't be trusted, and above all your contention that doing your own fact-checking is the only appropriate recourse, is swiftly belied by your own continuing defense of a former one-term president who brazenly, transparently lied to the American people tens of thousands of times, who completely abandoned any effort to address a raging pandemic that has killed half of a million Americans, who bent over backwards to accommodate and kiss the asses of America’s most dangerous authoritarian foes, and who capped off all of that and far more by abandoning any pretense of governing after he lost the election in November in favor of months of telling the ultimate Big Lie—that he didn’t—in favor of seditious conspiracy with his fellow Republicans, and in favor of the open incitement of a violent, terrorist mob that stormed and desecrated the Capitol looking to assassinate the Vice-President and members of Congress and that very nearly succeeded in ending American democracy.

You call yourself a scientist. Shame on you.

John Mallinckrodt

P.S. I apologize to the list for my impatience and intolerance here, but I, for one, have simply had it with people like David Marx who, whether it be for reasons of religion, greedy self-interest, ignorance, or simply abject stupidity—and I think we all know which one applies here—have devoted themselves to aiding and abetting those who would throw our noble, two-and-a-half-century experiment in democracy in the toilet and flush it away all the way calling themSELVES “Patriots.”

Should I be penalized with ostracism from the list for this “impolite" outburst of IMO much-needed and long-overdue honesty, bring it on.

Never more sincerely,

John Mallinckrodt

On Feb 8, 2021, at 9:58 AM, Marx, David via Phys-l <phys-l@mail.phys-l.org> wrote:

While this topic is generally outside the realm of physics topics, it is relevant to epistemology. We are dependent on others to give us factual information on which we are to make decisions. This goes far beyond simple media bias. It has gotten to the point where the media crafts the narrative to promote an outcome. That is unacceptable. I do not rely on any news sources to give me facts. As in physics, we go to the primary source for our information and make our own conclusions. We can't even rely on so-called "fact checkers." We have to be our own fact checkers when it comes to anything political, just as we read journal articles and examine the methods and data to come to our own conclusions. Most people though are not willing to take the time to do that fact checking, and that's why its possible to change reality for a large part of the population by controlling the narrative.



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How the mainstream media reports a story is not the primary problem, IMO. What stories they choose to present can be. Compare the stories daily on CNN, PBS, and FOX and the different agendas will quickly become clear. Then you can use that information to evaluate the stories that all three cover.

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"Any legit story will be carried by
reputable sources, so there is never any need to cite disreputable sources."

Right. Like the Hunter Biden story until Nov 3.

Zeev

On Mon, Feb 8, 2021, 3:11 AM John Denker via Phys-l <phys-l@mail.phys-l.org>
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On 2/8/21 3:20 AM, Daniel MacIsaac via Phys-l wrote:

Epoch Times is a Far Right / Falun Gong propaganda organ, see
Wikipedia
page on it
https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FThe_Epoch_Times&amp;data=04%7C01%7Crlamont%40providence.edu%7C81a520d20eb2417e676808d8cc611b53%7C29196f361d5e4d2689453be41ba81178%7C1%7C0%7C637485865834660122%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=t6Kh1j2nD1EnGce9fXmhGIAqdOHVutJYZ7R2F3n03kE%3D&amp;reserved=0

Yeah.

More generally, my policy is to not post, forward, quote, or even "like"
a story unless I can verify it.

A good starting point is:
https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmediabiasfactcheck.com%2F&amp;data=04%7C01%7Crlamont%40providence.edu%7C81a520d20eb2417e676808d8cc611b53%7C29196f361d5e4d2689453be41ba81178%7C1%7C0%7C637485865834660122%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=kOIogYr4%2FGmfXpBOMZ9dp1UqshRTW2DAuYsnPCoGFTs%3D&amp;reserved=0

I shun anything with a factual score less than "high". Even if the
MBFC score is "mostly" factual I stay away. Any legit story will be
carried by reputable sources, so there is never any need to cite disreputable sources.

Today's case is notorious:
https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmediabiasfactcheck.com%2Fthe-epoch-times%2F&amp;data=04%7C01%7Crlamont%40providence.edu%7C81a520d20eb2417e676808d8cc611b53%7C29196f361d5e4d2689453be41ba81178%7C1%7C0%7C637485865834670123%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=XcZjzDtBWmxbbmjfBaPS06Bgu39PUHFw7HXcs7xqtu0%3D&amp;reserved=0

«Overall, we rate The Epoch Times Right Biased and Questionable based
on the publication of pseudoscience and the promotion of propaganda
and conspiracy theories as well as numerous failed fact checks.»
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