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The test issue is not what you said. You talked about turning in fraudulent
papers.
I have nooooooooo idea how your NBA metaphor relates to any of this. And
you completely missed the MIT point.
You said that online university degrees are useless because someone can turn
in a paper that someone else wrote. I pointed out that the same thing
happens at in-person schools like MIT as well. According to your original
logic, if online degrees are useless because of fraudulent papers, then
in-person degrees are useless because of fraudulent papers too. I didn't
say that MIT has any online courses.
I know I'm not going to change your mind, but I am friends with the
principal of an online school in my area and all of the students are on web
cams with headphone/microphones during lessons. They have software on the
computer that takes their picture during tests through the webcam, doesn't
allow any other windows (i.e. internet) to be opened during the testing
session, and ends the test if there is no activity for a certain amount of
time. The teacher can see if the student leaves the computer, opens a book,
etc. Don't throw out all online education just because one school is bad.
Sure, there are degree mill online universities. But there are degree mill
in-person universities too. Both Walden and UoP have in-person schools.
It appears to me that your distaste for online schools is more emotional
than logical or you would have seen how all of your arguments apply to both
types of schools equally. There is cheating in both and there are both
types of degree mills.
I'd be curious to see if there's research comparing cheating in online
courses and traditional courses.
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "William Robertson" <wrobert9@ix.netcom.com>
To: "Forum for Physics Educators" <phys-l@carnot.physics.buffalo.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 8:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Phys-l] Cheating, a great argument against online courses.
First, I thought I made it clear that assignments in math and similar
subjects were especially suspect in online courses. Yes, you can turn
in a paper done by someone else in person, but to take a math or
physics test in person for someone else is much more difficult.
Second, if I told an NBA scout that he should think long and hard
before recommending his team draft someone five feet six inches tall,
should he come back with, "So, you're telling me Mugsy Bogues was a
terrible NBA player?" Does MIT produce a large number of online
degrees? Could I possibly have been referring to the thousands of
degrees handed out each year by places like Walden and University of
Phoenix?
Bill
William C. Robertson, Ph.D.
On Nov 16, 2010, at 7:36 AM, M. Horton wrote:
Is turning in a paper written by someone else unique to online
schools?
Doesn't this happen in in-person schools too? I don't think that's
justification to take a degree from MIT with a grain of salt.
Mike
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