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Re: [Phys-l] induced electric field



David Bowman:

Fantastic, I thought this thread was dying and then you guys came along and resurrected it with some incredible insights.

Okay, can you please provide some details on how you obtained your analytic result?

I think this is how one could proceed, but please correct me: We can obtain E-vector as 1/4*pi multiplied by a "Helmholtz" (in this case a "Biot-Savart") type integral of R-vector cross-producted with (c k-hat) divided by the cube of the magnitude of R-vector. Here R-vector is defined as the difference between the field position (r-vector) and the source position (r'-vector), and the integral is a volume integral over all source elements. Also c is the (constant) value of dB/dt where k-hat is the unit vector along the z-axis. Cylindrical coordinates are used, with axes aligned along the symmetry axes of the square solenoid.

Am I on the right track?

I checked the above procedure for a circular solenoid and it gives the familiar solution.

I also noticed (yes, I'm a bit slow compared to you guys) that if I take the curl of the familiar solution (namely r*c/2 inside and R^2*c/2r outside, both in the azimuthal direction) that I correctly get c inside and zero outside. (That would make a good homework problem.) Great, I assume that I could similarly take the curl of your solution for the square solenoid and get exactly the same answers.

David, could I STRONGLY urge you to write up your solution and send it to AJP? I'm confident that John M would agree with me that this is a very interesting and instructive result that MANY people will be interested in.

Much thanks also to Bob S for the fantastic MathCad rendering and Viewer program. It really helped to see the field vectors.

*This* is the kind of thread that makes PHYS-L so great. I wish sometimes we had more such threads.... -Carl
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