Re: [Phys-L] just for fun?

[John Denker <jsd@av8n.com>]

In the context of the Heartland Institute video
  "Unstoppable Solar Cycles"
on 01/03/2014 02:23 PM, richard lindgren asked:

> Where do I find the research that you refer to that refutes the 
> findngs on the video?

That's a reasonable question.  There are several answers.

1) A good /indirect/ answer is to subscribe to phys-l.  I say that
because on 01/03/2014 10:41 AM, Forinash III, Kyle wrote:

> > For those interested, here is a review that includes a discussion
> > of CO2 lagging longer term historical temperature changes.
> >
> > http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2012/04/unlocking-the-secrets-to-ending-an-ice-age/

which is a reasonably up-to-date summary of the situation.

There is a bit of a catch-22 here, because anything detailed
enough to be considered scientific will be too detailed to 
appeal to an unscientific audience.

2) Similarly, on 01/02/2014 06:12 PM, I wrote:
> There is plenty of primary and secondary /scientific/ literature
> available for anybody to read.  Here's one that I found amusing:
>   http://ncadac.globalchange.gov/

That's even more up-to-date and more detailed.  Start with the
table of contents:
  http://ncadac.globalchange.gov/
Then if you're in a hurry to get to the really scientific bit,
skip directly to
  "Appendix: II The Science of Climate Change"
  http://ncadac.globalchange.gov/download/NCAJan11-2013-publicreviewdraft-appendix2-climateprimer.pdf

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3) There are also books on the subject.  Yeah, books still exist.
For example:

   Michael E. Mann
   _The Hockey Stick and the Climate Wars: Dispatches from the Front Lines_
   http://www.amazon.com/Hockey-Stick-Climate-Wars-Dispatches/dp/023115254X
   http://cup.columbia.edu/book/978-0-231-15254-9/the-hockey-stick-and-the-climate-wars

4) If you prefer videos, we've got those, too:
   https://www.google.com/search?q="michael+mann"+climate&tbm=vid&tbs=dur:l

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In addition to studying the right answer to see why it is right, it
also pays to study the wrong answer to find out why it is wrong ...
and why it is deceptive.

5) It turns out that the Heartland video is the poster child for 
fallacious and systematically deceptive rhetoric.  Some of the 
deceptions are very briefly discussed here:
   http://www.phys-l.org/archives/2012/2_2012/msg00225.html

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6) The thing that is missing from all of the above is a systematic
pedagogical explanation of how to think about feedback loops.
That is typically covered in undergraduate courses in electrical
engineering.  I don't know of any good references offhand, and
I don't have time to research it at the moment.  More later.