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John epitomizes the irrational hate coming from the left. Sad to see it on
this list.
Bob at PC
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From: Phys-l <phys-l-bounces@mail.phys-l.org> on behalf of Marx, David
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Sent: Monday, February 8, 2021 1:45 PM
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Cc: Marx, David <dtmarx@ilstu.edu>
Subject: [External] Re: [Phys-L] Ex: Re: media trustworthiness, or lack
thereof (was VSL)
John,
You are case in point to my earlier post. Thank you. You have
successfully listed some of the false narratives that you apparently
believe. Shame on you!
David
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David,
With all due respect, your attack on the mainstream news media, your
suggestion that widely respected fact-checkers can't be trusted, and above
all your contention that doing your own fact-checking is the only
appropriate recourse, is swiftly belied by your own continuing defense of a
former one-term president who brazenly, transparently lied to the American
people tens of thousands of times, who completely abandoned any effort to
address a raging pandemic that has killed half of a million Americans, who
bent over backwards to accommodate and kiss the asses of America’s most
dangerous authoritarian foes, and who capped off all of that and far more
by abandoning any pretense of governing after he lost the election in
November in favor of months of telling the ultimate Big Lie—that he
didn’t—in favor of seditious conspiracy with his fellow Republicans, and in
favor of the open incitement of a violent, terrorist mob that stormed and
desecrated the Capitol looking to assassinate the Vice-President and
members of Congress and that very nearly succeeded in ending American
democracy.
You call yourself a scientist. Shame on you.
John Mallinckrodt
P.S. I apologize to the list for my impatience and intolerance here, but
I, for one, have simply had it with people like David Marx who, whether it
be for reasons of religion, greedy self-interest, ignorance, or simply
abject stupidity—and I think we all know which one applies here—have
devoted themselves to aiding and abetting those who would throw our noble,
two-and-a-half-century experiment in democracy in the toilet and flush it
away all the way calling themSELVES “Patriots.”
Should I be penalized with ostracism from the list for this “impolite"
outburst of IMO much-needed and long-overdue honesty, bring it on.
Never more sincerely,
John Mallinckrodt
On Feb 8, 2021, at 9:58 AM, Marx, David via Phys-l <phys-l@mail.phys-l.org>
wrote:
relevant to epistemology. We are dependent on others to give us factual
While this topic is generally outside the realm of physics topics, it is
information on which we are to make decisions. This goes far beyond simple
media bias. It has gotten to the point where the media crafts the
narrative to promote an outcome. That is unacceptable. I do not rely on
any news sources to give me facts. As in physics, we go to the primary
source for our information and make our own conclusions. We can't even
rely on so-called "fact checkers." We have to be our own fact checkers
when it comes to anything political, just as we read journal articles and
examine the methods and data to come to our own conclusions. Most people
though are not willing to take the time to do that fact checking, and
that's why its possible to change reality for a large part of the
population by controlling the narrative.
IMO. What stories they choose to present can be. Compare the stories
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How the mainstream media reports a story is not the primary problem,
daily on CNN, PBS, and FOX and the different agendas will quickly become
clear. Then you can use that information to evaluate the stories that all
three cover.
sources."
Watch out for Trolls!
Richard W. Tarara
Professor of Physics, emeritus
Saint Mary’s College
Notre Dame, Indiana
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"Any legit story will be carried by
reputable sources, so there is never any need to cite disreputable
disreputable sources.
Right. Like the Hunter Biden story until Nov 3.
Zeev
On Mon, Feb 8, 2021, 3:11 AM John Denker via Phys-l
<phys-l@mail.phys-l.org>
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On 2/8/21 3:20 AM, Daniel MacIsaac via Phys-l wrote:
Epoch Times is a Far Right / Falun Gong propaganda organ, seepage on it
Wikipedia
https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fen
.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FThe_Epoch_Times&data=04%7C01%7Cajm%40cpp
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Yeah.
More generally, my policy is to not post, forward, quote, or even "like"
a story unless I can verify it.
A good starting point is:
https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmed
iabiasfactcheck.com%2F&data=04%7C01%7Cajm%40cpp.edu%7C168e421e715
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7484039095429659%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoi
V2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=QGF4MdrFrAZw%
2FCLgQdhCSxJzK1tkWgG5mV%2FzyXU4YVM%3D&reserved=0
I shun anything with a factual score less than "high". Even if the
MBFC score is "mostly" factual I stay away. Any legit story will be
carried by reputable sources, so there is never any need to cite
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«Overall, we rate The Epoch Times Right Biased and Questionable based
on the publication of pseudoscience and the promotion of propaganda
and conspiracy theories as well as numerous failed fact checks.»
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