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From: phys-l-bounces@carnot.physics.buffalo.edu
[mailto:phys-l-bounces@carnot.physics.buffalo.edu] On Behalf
Of James Mackey
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 9:44 AM
To: Forum for Physics Educators
Subject: Re: [Phys-l] cooling hints
The student argument was usually this: Since the unit had to
run at full
power longer when the system was totally off than when the
level was simply
reduced (which is true) it must use more total energy over
the total cycle.
This was is opposition to the fact that the power-time curves
showed less
total energy used. However this was only one of numerous spurious
viewpoints about energy production and consumption that my students
expressed during the class. It was an interesting experience
to teach this
general education class from a physicist's perspective.
James Mackey
On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 11:23 PM, John Clement
<clement@hal-pc.org> wrote:
The student misconception probably comes from some conceptthey alread have
and are misapplying. It might be instructive to try tofigure out what
thatbox that was
concept might be. At this moment I can not think of one.
John M. Clement
Bellaire, TX
Years ago, during 70s energy crisis (la plus sa change, la
meme la chose!) I
did a simulation in lab with a variac and a homemade AC
consumption for theconnected to a simple immersion heater placed in a an
insulated beaker and
an uninsulated beaker. Part of the lab was to compare energy
consumption
between complete AC turn off and reducing the set point
temperature. A
complete cycle was run to simulate a constant AC setting, a
temp reduction
setting and a complete AC off by starting all runs at a fixed
temperature
and running through the 3 cycles for fixed times and then
returning to the
initial temperature. Invariably, minimum energy
the heat is ancomplete cycle was lowest with the complete turn off cycle.
Probably not
terribly applicable to today's units, but students found it very
surprising. Most students believed you used more energy to
"catch up" if
you turned off the heater.
James Mackey
On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 3:31 PM, John Clement
<clement@hal-pc.org> wrote:
I know someone who was working for the Army and in thewinter they used to
open the windows to combat the overheating of their workspace. But during
one year when there was a jump in energy prices the Armysealed the windows
shut to prevent this. Why they didn't just turn down
have comfort byunsolved mystery. So the employees found they could
_______________________________________________turning_______________________________________________
on the AC.
John M. Clement
Houston, TX
Ah! Bitten by the "Law" of Unintended Consequences.
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