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Re: [Phys-l] cooling hints



It would be interesting to see if they gave the same response for the
following problem:
1. You want to accelerate a frictionless cart to velocity V, so you do an
experiment. A. You give it one big push for 10s, or B you give it 10
shorter pushes. Which one uses more energy or C. do they both use the same
amount of energy.

The paradigm might be a race paradigm. Let us say you are racing for 1/4
mile. Ignore air resistance. You do one of the 2 following. A.
Accelerate to cruising speed and stay there. B. You accelerate to cruising
speed then take your foot off the accelerator 1/3 of the way down the track,
so you slow down for a while and then accelerate back to a high speed. If
it takes the same time in both cases which one requires more energy?
Everyone knows the answer to this, so they may be transferring this type of
situation as an analogy.

But if instead of equal time, you require that you just go back up to the
same cruising speed, they will probably get it wrong and pick B, while C is
the correct answer. If you don't ignore air resistance the B takes less
energy.

John M. Clement
Houston, TX

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Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 9:44 AM
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Subject: Re: [Phys-l] cooling hints

The student argument was usually this: Since the unit had to
run at full
power longer when the system was totally off than when the
level was simply
reduced (which is true) it must use more total energy over
the total cycle.
This was is opposition to the fact that the power-time curves
showed less
total energy used. However this was only one of numerous spurious
viewpoints about energy production and consumption that my students
expressed during the class. It was an interesting experience
to teach this
general education class from a physicist's perspective.
James Mackey

On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 11:23 PM, John Clement
<clement@hal-pc.org> wrote:

The student misconception probably comes from some concept
they alread have
and are misapplying. It might be instructive to try to
figure out what
that
concept might be. At this moment I can not think of one.

John M. Clement
Bellaire, TX


Years ago, during 70s energy crisis (la plus sa change, la
meme la chose!) I
did a simulation in lab with a variac and a homemade AC
box that was
connected to a simple immersion heater placed in a an
insulated beaker and
an uninsulated beaker. Part of the lab was to compare energy
consumption
between complete AC turn off and reducing the set point
temperature. A
complete cycle was run to simulate a constant AC setting, a
temp reduction
setting and a complete AC off by starting all runs at a fixed
temperature
and running through the 3 cycles for fixed times and then
returning to the
initial temperature. Invariably, minimum energy
consumption for the
complete cycle was lowest with the complete turn off cycle.
Probably not
terribly applicable to today's units, but students found it very
surprising. Most students believed you used more energy to
"catch up" if
you turned off the heater.
James Mackey

On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 3:31 PM, John Clement
<clement@hal-pc.org> wrote:

I know someone who was working for the Army and in the
winter they used to
open the windows to combat the overheating of their work
space. But during
one year when there was a jump in energy prices the Army
sealed the windows
shut to prevent this. Why they didn't just turn down
the heat is an
unsolved mystery. So the employees found they could
have comfort by
turning
on the AC.

John M. Clement
Houston, TX


Ah! Bitten by the "Law" of Unintended Consequences.


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