Chronology Current Month Current Thread Current Date
[Year List] [Month List (current year)] [Date Index] [Thread Index] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Date Prev] [Date Next]

Re: [Phys-L] Science and Christianity (was [SCAAPT] ... why people don't accept... Science)

Brian, are you sure you want to go there with this topic? First of all, as a Reform Jew who teaches in a strictly Ultra Orthodox school I would take strong exception of your rather cavalier 'dismissal' of the intent and meaning of the Torah as a "reading of Jewish history." To Jews and Christians alike the Torah is THE word of God and not just some "reading of history". The five books of Moses tell not only the story of the Israelites, but lay out in succinct terms the entire ethical and moral code which governs, or is supposed to govern, all of the Western world's religions today.
There are really two Torahs... the written one everyone associates with the "Bible" and the oral word spoken to Moses at Mt. Sinai. To a Jew, especially an Orthodox Jew, the code of conduct of all humans is enshrined in these two Torahs.
To the Orthodox people these scrolls are their entire Raison-d'etre; their entire life is based on the constant reading and interpretation of the Torah through the writings of the sages of the last several thousand years called the Talmud and the Gamora.
I know personally some Orthodox scientists who find no disagreement between their Torah studies and their work in science. These people are constantly studying and reading, sometimes in the ancient Aramaic, sometimes in the Biblical Hebrew (different from the conversational Hebrew) and can balance their religious work with their scientific work.

I'm sure you didn't want to defame or denigrate an entire group of people so I think you had better come up with a better distinction of the "Old" and "New" Testaments!

Marty

On Jun 13, 2012, at 1:06 PM, brian whatcott wrote:

On 6/12/2012 7:31 PM, Chuck Britton wrote:
At 4:56 PM -0400 6/12/12, Ludwik Kowalski wrote:
Anticipating an objection I want emphasize that identifying one similarity is not the same thing as saying that mathematics is the same as theology.


One strong similarity between math and theology is that each is an abstract structure based upon fundamental assumptions which cannot be proven within the given structure.

One DIFFERENCE that that I see is that most professional mathematicians are quite able to accept conflicting postulates and to work within the structure that results. (e.g. Euclid's Fifth Postulate and it's variants.)

I'm not familiar with the Theological equivalent of this ability to grant equal validity to conflicting assumptions.

(But I am quite ready to be set straight is such Theologians exist.)
_______________________________________________
Forum for Physics Educators
Phys-l@mail.phys-l.org
http://www.phys-l.org/mailman/listinfo/phys-l

There is a great deal of scientific work yet to be done concerning Christianity. It will almost certainly require
the intestinal fortitude of a Galileo, as you will easily see.

First to be able to hold two conflicted concepts in mind before breakfast: for Christianity, this is the Torah and the new Testament.
The former, a distinctly patriarchal reading of Jewish history; the latter, a strongly maternal ethic of unconditional Love and forgiveness for heinous wrongs even until the dying moments in fact.
The scientific basis for Christianity has hardly been touched. The virgin birth for example: this of itself is NOT miraculous; there have been (exceedingly rare) examples of virgin births to women, though other mammals show this unusual outcome more frequently.
The mammals share a common feature here: virgin births are uniformly female: that is the only genotype available.

Exploring the growth to maturity of a girl who passes as a male is curious, but again, of itself, not unknown. I can suppose that a factual obstacle to this scientific investigation is the unrobing to nakedness which would likely be part of the Roman treatment, the most despised punishment for criminals. On the other hand, there is a Biblical record of crowds of women following the Savior's journeys,
and of Jesus' dismay at the death of a male friend - which is insubstantial on its own, but can be taken with other feminine aspects - say the foot-washing of disciples - an act confined to women.

There is a book to be written - quite likely an infamous book - which would shed new light on a person who, with John, was at first unsure who was to be the long-forecast savior of his people, but who grew convinced of his role, and made efforts to fulfill the old testament indications of that great Advent.

Brian Whatcott
_______________________________________________
Forum for Physics Educators
Phys-l@mail.phys-l.org
http://www.phys-l.org/mailman/listinfo/phys-l