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I know full well what musicians have to do to maintain their art. And it is
a continuous thing. Unlike a physicist they have to be practically perfect
all of the time. A physicist on the other hand only has to do things really
right once. A professor can continue to lecture from the same yellowed
notes and still get paid, but a musician can't do that sort of thing. Too
many mistakes and you have no living. As to athletes the trained dancers
are probably the best athletes around. They have to do things perfectly
with correct expression even when in pain. An athlete can fumble several
times and recover, but a professional dancer does not have that leeway. Of
course good dancers compensate for small mistakes and the audience never
realizes that anything went wrong. Coming from a theatrical family, I know
this from first hand storied.
As to amazing lectures, how do you know that students actually learn from
them? The studies have shown that students learn the same no matter who the
lecturer is. Switching to a research based program increases the learning
and again this is independent of who is running the class, as long as they
follow the program. I consider it a misconception that amazing lectures are
effective. PER has already shown this. An amazing lecturer may be worth
their weight in gold as advertising, but not as effective teachers.
I did not say that Tysen shouldn't get paid a large sum. He is providing an
good entertaining service, and if you think he is worth the sum, by all
means engage him. Besides which his regular salary may not be that high, so
earning more is certainly reasonable. Whether he is worth the sum is in the
eye of the beholder. But just because he gives the lecture doesn't mean the
audience learns more of substance than if someone else gave it. Again, I
would point to the research which goes back to the original FCI research
that all lecturers get the same results with students.
If your aim is to build an audience, then a high profile person might be
warranted.
John M. Clement
Houston, TX
I missed this the first time around. John, do you have any
idea what preparation for a performance entails? Not to
mention the hours and hours preparing one's voice or musical
skills to perform for a major orchestra? Learning your
instrument to that point is no feat to be brushed off by
anyone who has never done it. The hours to prepare alone are
more than even the best prepared athlete and on the night of
the performance they must be at their best... no excuses
there, unlike a cleanup hitter who strikes out with the bases
loaded or a running back who fumbles on the one year line, or
a basketball player who misses a free throw at the buzzer.
There is no room for error like that when you are performing
Beethoven's fifth and it comes to your solo. They are worth
every penny!
Likewise, Tyson... the man didn't get where he is today by
hanging around the observatory for a few hours... Let him get
paid what the market will bear... even if it is a pre-written
lecture. One doesn't go to a lecture expecting to have your
life changed, but to learn something you didn't know before.
How many of you have actually attended a Lewin lecture? I
have attended several and the man is an amazing teacher!
Worth every cent he is paid and worth his weight in gold for MIT!
On Jun 20, 2013, at 7:52 PM, Bernard Cleyet wrote:
<clement@hal-pc.org> wrote:
On 2013, Jun 20, , at 10:34, John Clement
performance plus a
If you go to an opera with a
star, the star gets a large salary for a few hours
continually work atrehearsal. How much does a star athlete get/game? If you look at
the amount of training and preparation, Tysen may be overpriced
compared to a trained singer or dancer who has to
lecture, and hetheir art. Tysen merely has to write and deliver a
underpaid relative to a star athlete.probably has a number of boilerplates ready. He may be
ago wherein the presenter (Salinas local TV, naturely)
The athletes must keep fit tho.
I viewed an archive of the SF Symp. strike of a few years
derided that they "got" $165k and they wanted more! Ha!
Most musicians good enuf for a major orchestra started < six
and pr hours daily forever.
bc retired w/ > 1/2 that, so the musicians were not overpaid.
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