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Re: [Phys-l] Lecture Isn't Effective: More Evidence #2



I agree that it is not proven that green is a very erotic color.
Regrds,
Jack

"Trust me. I have a lot of experience at this."
General Custer's unremembered message to his men,
just before leading them into the Little Big Horn Valley




On Fri, 5 Aug 2011, Joseph Bellina wrote:

I agree completely that when an 82 year old man marries a 28 year old woman, there is motivation involved. I will agree that motivation is a necessary component, but you have provided not evidence that it is sufficient.
Again, are you claiming that the chinese mind is evolutionarily different and that is why they appear to learn well by lecture?


joe

Joseph J. Bellina, Jr. Ph.D.
Retired Professor of Physics
Co-Director
Northern Indiana Science, Mathematics, and Engineering Collaborative
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On Aug 5, 2011, at 3:17 AM, carmelo@pacific.net.sg wrote:

Motivation can be a very important factor in learning.

The fact is some chinese schools have achieve 100%, or close to 100%,
5 in AP Physics. (Students who achieved 4 for AP Physics may feel
embarrassed within these schools.)

During an interview with Dr Chen Ning Yang, he shared that chinese may
achieve excellent results in Physics GRE, but they may not be
innovative. (In 2004, Dr CN Yang was 82-year-old and he married Weng
Fan, 28-year-old. He won Nobel Prize for his work on parity violation.)


Best regards,
Alphonsus

Quoting Joseph Bellina <inquirybellina@comcast.net>:

Are you suggesting that there are different culturally based mental
properties, that different their minds function differently?


Joseph J. Bellina, Jr. Ph.D.
Retired Professor of Physics
Co-Director
Northern Indiana Science, Mathematics, and Engineering Collaborative
574-276-8294
inquirybellina@comcast.net




On Aug 4, 2011, at 10:11 PM, carmelo@pacific.net.sg wrote:


Chinese students can be more engaged in lectures and learned well
because they believe that education can bring them out of poverty.

Lecture isn't effective for american students based on some research
studies, does not imply that lecture is equally ineffective for
students worldwide. Extrapolation can be a dangerous thing. (Of
course, lecture has its limitation.)


Best regards,
Alphonsus

Quoting John Clement <clement@hal-pc.org>:

But how does she know that they were really engaged and learned well? Just
observing a lecture does not tell you what is going on in the minds of the
students. This is one of the problems with what people believe. You have
to pre and posttest to see what has actually happened and not rely on what
you see. Chinese students are certainly more polite and out of respect
would try to appear attentive, but this does not show what processing was
actually going on. They will appear attentive even when no significant
processing is going on. American students will let you know if they are
bored.


John M. Clement
Houston, TX



A friend of mine visited a school in China and she was very
impressed
how the students were fully engaged during lectures.
She tried to use the same lesson for her students, but it did
not work.



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