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I remember learning about ibid and op cit many years ago, I think in
middle school, and I never really understood them. I notice,
however, that I have *never* seen them used in any journal article I
have ever read, and have never felt the need to use them myself.
i.e. and e.g., however, are useful...and I don't remember ever being
taught about them.
seems kinda backwards to me...
bb