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Re: [Phys-l] phase relationship



On 03/22/2010 08:10 AM, marx@phy.ilstu.edu wrote:
Very far away from the source (such as antenna) they are in phase,

For running waves, yes. For standing waves, not so much.

but nearby the source, they are not.

Agreed.


There's a simple way of explaining why this must be so.

Consider the world's simplest dipole radiator, namely
a charge attached to a simple harmonic oscillator.
Without loss of generality assume it is located at the
origin and oscillating in the Z direction.

Now consider how things look to an observer located at
a point R in the near field. Near field means that the
distance |R| is small compared to the wavelength of the
radiation.

There's another name for the "near field" assumption.
It's the _electrostatics_ assumption. If we are in
the near field, that means that we are near enough
and/or the oscillations are slow enough so the |R|/t
is small compared to the timescale t, for any
timescale of interest ... which is electrostatics.

The quickest way to an interesting result is to consider
a point R on the Z axis. At this point there will be
a changing electrical field. You can calculate the
correct value using electrostatics.

Meanwhile, at this point there is *no* magnetic field.
This should be obvious by symmetry. If the oscillation
is in the Z direction and the propagation is in the Z
direction, the system is rotationally symmetric so
there can't be any Bx or By component. And there can't
be any Bz component because the only current is in the
Z direction, and the B field lines are always perpendicular
to the current.

So in the near field E' cannot possibly be equal to cB'.

Note that in the far field there is no E or B whatsoever
on the Z axis. Anything you see on the Z axis must be
in the near field.

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To prove that things are in phase in the far field, observe
that in the far field the spherical wave is locally
indistinguishable from a plane wave, so it reduces to
the problem previously solved. E' is pointwise equal
to +-cB'. This is exactly true for a running plane wave
everywhere ... and true to a good approximation for a
running spherical wave in the far field.