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Re: [Phys-l] force or mass



Of course we could eliminate pounds entirely and just use kilogram- mass and kilogram-force as units--try googling kilogram-force.

Vern

On Nov 6, 2008, at 8:04 AM, Rick Tarara wrote:

I'll 'stick to my guns' too. Clearly some groups use the pound as mass,
other groups (engineers and intro physics textbook writers) take it as
force. I will continue to go with the engineers and intro books. Students
come to us with the clear knowledge that WEIGHT is measured in pounds. We
then insist that weight is a force. Therefore, keeping pounds as a unit of
force (with slugs the mass) follows the metric format of Newtons, kilograms.
Again the foot-pound becomes very confusing (and the wrong basic units) if
pound is mass. Of course, as Bernard hints at, using strictly metric units
would solve the problem, but in intro physics courses one of the most
powerful pedagogical tools we have is to work from and with what the
students already 'know'. They 'know' pounds to be weight!

Rick

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Bernard Cleyet" <bernardcleyet@redshift.com>


The exception is torque units.

bc, "sticking to his guns".

p.s. of course, this has been mainly ATA, much decried by JD, OTOH,
if the US govt. (all powerful) claims a # is a measure of mass then
it is; nicht wahr?

p.s. NBS definition of the pound:

http://www.ngs.noaa.gov/PUBS_LIB/FedRegister/FRdoc59-5442.pdf


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