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Re: [Phys-l] Women Earn 46% of Undergraduate Math Degrees but Represent Only 8% of Math Professors ??



ABSTRACT:Lisa Trie in the "Stanford Report" of 15 February 2006 wrote: "ACCORDING TO [LONDA] SCHIEBINGER, WOMEN EARN 46 PERCENT OF UNDERGRADUATE MATH DEGREES IN THIS COUNTRY BUT REPRESENT ONLY 8 PERCENT OF MATH PROFESSORS." The puzzle at to what Schiebinger meant, discussed on the RUME list, may now have been solved by Marjorie Olmstead, who pointed out that Donna Nelson's "Diversity Surveys" show that at the "Top 50" departments, as ranked by the NSF based on total research expenditures in mathematics, women comprised 8.3% of the mathematics faculty in 2002.
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In an earlier post [Hake (2006)] on this subject I wrote [bracketed by lines "HHHHHH. . . ."; see that post for the references:

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As reported by Rick Reis (2006) in Tomorrow's Professor, Message #717, "Proof and Prejudice: Women in Mathematics," Lisa Trie (2006) in the "Stanford Report of 15 February 2006 wrote:

"According to [Londa] Schiebinger, women earn 46 percent of undergraduate math degrees in this country but represent only 8 percent of math professors."

I relayed a portion of Trei's report to Math-Learn, Phys-L, PhysLrnR, POD, and RUME, including the above statement attributed to Schiebinger.

But in a recent RUME (Research in Undergraduate Mathematics) post, Cathy Kessel (2006), President-Elect of the Association for Women in Mathematics <http://www.awm-math.org/>, wrote:

"I wonder if some context got lost from Schiebinger's statement, maybe
she meant something like 'professors at research 1 universities'? "
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And on Apr 26 19:10:08 EDT 2006, Patricia Hale, in the Math Dept. at Cal Poly Pomona posted on the RUME list:

"Another possibility is that [Schiebinger] simply meant only 8% of full professors. The AMS data for 2004 indicates that 16% of tenured faculty are women (combining Groups I, II, III, Va, M & B). I am pretty sure the percentage for full professors is lower than the percentage for Associate and Full combined."

Londa Schiebinger has not responded to a 26 April 2006 request for clarification. I wonder if anyone has any further ideas on what Londa Schiebinger might have meant?
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The puzzle of what Londa Schiebinger meant may have been solved by Marjorie Olmstead. In a WIPHYS digest of 23 May 2006, she wrote [my CAPS and insert at ". . . [.....]. . ."]:

"In response to THE STATEMENT ABOUT 8% OF MATH PROFS BEING FEMALE [WIPHYS 5/22/06]: THAT PROBABLY COMES FROM THE NELSON DIVERSITY SURVEYS. . .[see Nelson's homepages <http://cheminfo.chem.ou.edu/faculty/djn/djn.html> and <http://cheminfo.chem.ou.edu/faculty/djn/diversity/briefings/15Jan04Briefings.html>]. . ., which look at the top 50 departments in terms of federal research dollars (see <http://cheminfo.chem.ou.edu/faculty/djn/diversity/mathdiv.html>). THE 2001. . .[a typo? - the Table 1 of Nelson (2002) shows data for FY 2002]. . . . MATH NUMBERS YIELD 173 WOMEN OUT OF 2083, OR 8.3%. Full profs: 64/1403; Assoc: 50/379; Asst: 59 /301. Of those [173] women, 134 are white, 30 are Asian, 7 are Hispanic, 2 are black, and none are Native American."

The URL <http://cheminfo.chem.ou.edu/faculty/djn/diversity/mathdiv.html> brings up a table from an article by Donna Nelson (2002) published in
AWIS Magazine <http://www.awis.org/pubs/mag.html>. To interpret the table it's necessary to read the note at the top: "The decimal places show the number of people that are female, for example the total is 2083.173; this means there are 2083 people, 173 of whom are female." I have copied the AWIS entry from Mallow & Hake (2002) (updated on 6/01/06) into the REFERENCE list.

Regarding the 8.3% of female math faculty members, Nelson (2002) wrote:

"This percentage is lower than that for chemistry (10.7%) computer science (10.6%), chemical engineering (10.5%), and civil engineering (9.3%), but higher than that for physics (6.6%), mechanical engineering (6.7%), and electrical engineering (6.5%)."


Richard Hake, Emeritus Professor of Physics, Indiana University
24245 Hatteras Street, Woodland Hills, CA 91367
<rrhake@earthlink.net>
<http://www.physics.indiana.edu/~hake>
<http://www.physics.indiana.edu/~sdi>


REFERENCES
AWIS. 2006. Association for Women in Science; online at
<http://www.awis.org/> : ". . . dedicated to achieving equity and full participation for women in science, mathematics, engineering and technology. . . . AWIS has over 5,000 members in fields spanning the life and physical sciences, mathematics, social science, and engineering. Over 50% of AWIS members have doctorates in their respective fields, and hold positions at all levels of industry, academia, and government." See especially:
a. AWIS Magazine <http://www.awis.org/pubs/mag.html>.

b. AWIS Books and Reports <http://www.awis.org/pubs/awispub.html>.

c. Book Reviews <http://www.awis.org/pubs/bookreviews.html>.

d. Washington Wire <http://www.awis.org/pubs/wire.html>.

e. Mentoring <http://www.awis.org/careers/mentoring.html>.

Hake, R.R. 2006. Women Earn 46% of Undergraduate Math Degrees but Represent Only 8% of Math Professors ?? online at
<http://listserv.nd.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0605&L=pod&O=A&P=12495>. Post of 20 May 2006 16:15:30-0700 to Math-Learn, Phys-L, PhysLrnR, POD, RUME, WIPHYS.

Mallow, J.V. & R.R. Hake. 2002. "Gender Issues in Physics/Science Education (GIPSE) - Some Annotated References"; online at
<http://www.luc.edu/depts/physics/fac/mallow.html>; as ref. 21 at
<http://www.physics.indiana.edu/~hake>; at the APS website
<http://www.aps.org/educ/cswp/women-links.cfm> under "Gender Issues"; and downloadable directly by clicking on <http://www.physics.indiana.edu/~hake/GIPSE-4b.pdf> (232 kB). Contains about 300 references and 200 hot-linked URL's.

Nelson, D. 2002."Faculty Diversity in Mathematics Departments at the 'Top 50' Research Universities," AWIS Magazine 31(3): 42-46; online at
<http://cheminfo.chem.ou.edu/faculty/djn/diversity/Pubs/sum02AWIS/sum02magnelson.html> (about 4.6 MB!).