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[Phys-L] Re: Partners in Innovation: Teaching Assistants in College Courses



You make several good points. In particular the one near the end.
Physics is so much around us, that students will learn about it with
or without our guidance. In the former case, it seems to me, there
is ample opportunity for the development of fragmented models
resulting from incomplete anecdotal experiences. So the argument
goes that we should provide the guidance earlier so we can help them
learn.

That is a good argument for the physics first movement, provided the
physics first is conceptual. It is an even better argument for
including physics in the early elementary curriculum since I suspect
many of the primordial models that are not consistent with the
scientific view are formed then, or even earlier. The state
standards, and the inquiry based curricula like Foss, Scis, STC, and
Insights do this. It remains to prepare the elementary teachers to
use the curricula well.

cheers


Joseph J. Bellina, Jr. Ph.D.
Professor of Physics
Saint Mary's College
Notre Dame, IN 46556

On Nov 25, 2005, at 6:58 PM, Sheron Snyder wrote:

Questions and comments:

So there is no rational for students to be provided in their
physics courses
as to why they should wear a seat belt?

Is that okay with everyone?

There is no reason/need to learn that energy exists and must be
accounted
for.. and many more important concepts that we are able to get to
students....some without calculus and tons of equations.

Is that the acceptable?

No, physics should not be waiting until college. Physics is a part
of every
person's life. You can't blink your eyes without an application of
physics.
You can't push open a door, without physics. Why must it wait for
college
when the vast majority of people won't be going there?

After your name, the first thing you had was probably something
hanging over
your crib. It moved, it was colorful and maybe even made
noise.....all of
this is physics. Yes, the coach can do a good job with physics if
HE or SHE
is provided with the right materials, course of study and attitude
from
above.

It is my approach that physics is in everything, so everything can
be used
to teach physics' concepts and principles. And this is most
definitely NOT
memorization! Please get busy and produce materials and
experiments that
are MEANINGFUL. Physics is understandable at many levels and is
not just
for the 'college students'

If physics is the foundational science, as I hold it is, then
physics can
not wait to be experienced at ages 19+, besides it is so
fascinating that
many will not let this happen to themselves.

Sheron Snyder

retired HS teacher
and still
Planetarium Operator
Newsletter Editor
Community College Instructor
Mason & Lansing, MI

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob LaMontagne" <rlamont@POSTOFFICE.PROVIDENCE.EDU>
To: <PHYS-L@LISTS.NAU.EDU>
Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2005 5:59 PM
Subject: Re: Partners in Innovation: Teaching Assistants in College
Courses


So instead of turning kids off to physics by having the coach (or
someone
who has an ed degree but never took a lab-based physics course)
teach the
course, why not simply eliminate physics from the primary and
secondary
curriculum. I don't see any possible good coming from forcing kids
who are
not ready for linear reasoning sit through these courses. Let them
take
"sciences" that are basically memorization - like biology or
astronomy -
instead. Physics is a waste of time for most people until they enter
college. Perhaps an AP course in high school for the exceptional
few that
are ready for it might be acceptable.

Bob at PC

-----Original Message-----
From: Forum for Physics Educators [mailto:PHYS-
L@list1.ucc.nau.edu] On
Behalf Of John Clement
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 12:47 PM
To: PHYS-L@LISTS.NAU.EDU
Subject: Re: Partners in Innovation: Teaching Assistants in College
Courses

I would say the Dick Hake hit the nail on the head. Notice that
the same
problem runs throughout the education system. The HS teachers and
elementary school teacher have very inadequate training in using
interactive
engagement. And many of them actually have inadequate preparation in
understanding science. It is no wonder that interest in science and
especially physics decreases with longer education.

John M. Clement
Houston, TX
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