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[Phys-L] Re: On the Impact of Standards



So you generalize to all colleges from one, of a few,
expeeriences? Is this a good example for physics students?
Regards,
Jack


On Wed, 25 May 2005, Arlyn DeBruyckere wrote:

I'm sorry that you are insulted. I have no experience with MIT. I do
have experience with other colleges here in Minnesota, including some
private colleges that advertise having better students and
programs. One particular student who asked me to write an
"evaluation" for her for a local private college had scored a 17 on
the ACT. I don't know what the national average is but I do know
many students who have scores in the 30's. I know that for this
particular college the "cut off" for admission is 21. This particular
student got a D- in the high school chemistry A (first semester) and
elected not to take chemistry B because she didn't think she could
pass. Her declared major for college was pre-med. My "evaluation"
stated that she would need extreme assistance to be successful. She
didn't make it to the end of her freshman year. What did the college
care? She paid her full tuition and was placed in typical freshman
classes of over 100 students. What did one additional student make
to the class load? The college got her money and counted her as one
of the approximately 50% that drop out by the junior year.


On May 24, 2005, at 4:19 PM, Jack Uretsky wrote:

Hi all-
I maintain that untrue exaggeration does not help our
cause. As
an alumnus and contributor to MIT I am personally insulted by the
sugggestion that the Institute will waive its standards for money.
Regards,
Jack


On Tue, 24 May 2005, Arlyn DeBruyckere wrote:


I'm not surprised. In Minnesota the "Education Department" has
decided that the NCLB ("No Child Left Behing" - really No Child Gets
Ahead) test at the high school level will be a life science test only
since all students are required to take life science. Even though
NCLB "requires" all students to have "learning opportunities" in all
science areas, only the life science parts will be on THE test for
9-12.

Colleges are complaining that about 30-40 percent of students need
remedial courses to be ready for college science and math. They say
they require 3 years of math and 3 years of science to be admitted
but in reality they will admit anyone who can write a check that
doesn't bounce.

NCLB says we have to teach all sciences (earth, physics, chemistry,
life) to ALL students in grades 9-12 but the state test will only
test life science. Put the combination of these two together and
wonder what will happen to science education in our state.


Arlyn DeBruyckere
Science Teacher
School Photographer
Hutchinson High School
1200 Roberts Road SW
Hutchinson MN 55350

HHS Weather at http://www.hutch.k12.mn.us/weather/
current_vantage_pro.htm

http://www.hutch.k12.mn.us/teacher/ArlynDeBruyckereHS.cfm
mailto:arlynd@hutch.k12.mn.us

http://www.angelfire.com/mn3/hea/
http://www.educationminnesota.org
If it is to be it is up to me!




--
"Trust me. I have a lot of experience at this."
General Custer's unremembered message to his men,
just before leading them into the Little Big Horn
Valley


Arlyn DeBruyckere
Science Teacher
School Photographer
Hutchinson High School
1200 Roberts Road SW
Hutchinson MN 55350

HHS Weather at http://www.hutch.k12.mn.us/weather/
current_vantage_pro.htm

http://www.hutch.k12.mn.us/teacher/ArlynDeBruyckereHS.cfm
mailto:arlynd@hutch.k12.mn.us

http://www.angelfire.com/mn3/hea/
http://www.educationminnesota.org
If it is to be it is up to me!



--
"Trust me. I have a lot of experience at this."
General Custer's unremembered message to his men,
just before leading them into the Little Big Horn Valley
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