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Why is a generation too long? I can walk outside my*********************************************************
office here in
Providence, take a deep breath on this nice late
summer day, and feel
wonderful. I don't feel any pain from taking the
breath - I not going to
drop dead any significant time sooner. Yes, it would
be nice, I guess,
for the air to have absolutely no man-made
pollutants in it, and yes, it
might be nice to live the few extra hours or days
that the current level
of pollution might be taking from me - but this is
hardly a crisis
situation that demands an all or nothing reduction
in pollutants this
very instant. I agree with Rick, that an incremental
approach
concentrating on new power plants, factories, and
buildings coming on
line is more than sufficient. I don't want to
significantly harm myself,
or my daughter, or her future children with
dangerous pollutants. But I
also don't want to take extreme action to eliminate
the current minor
levels of pollution and cause a radical change in
the economy of the
country and my manner of living. Life is good -
right now - and I want
my offspring to enjoy a similar lifestyle. There's
time enough to get
to where we want to be.
Bob at PC
John Barrer wrote:
It's all a matter of where one places one'sin
priorities. And, what's your evidence for "BIG"?
Compared to what? I think a generation is way too
long. Again, the issue is the real costs that are
borne by "others". Other people's pain like other
people's $$ is all-too-easily ignored. Barrere
--- Rick Tarara <rtarara@SAINTMARYS.EDU> wrote:
Sure you can have cleaner power and
manufacturing--but how quickly do you
want it. If tomorrow (or within a decade) then
expect to pay BIG bucks to
get it. If you regulate for new construction or
provide a reasonable
timetable for retrofitting, then you can have it
lattera generation or so at a
modest cost. Seems to me that we are on the
thatcourse. It's the huge
number of power plants/manufacturing facilities
is the hang-up.
Rick
********************************************************Richard W. Tarara
Professor of Physics
Saint Mary's College
Notre Dame, Indiana
rtarara@saintmarys.edu
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From: "John Barrer" <forcejb@YAHOO.COM>
To: <PHYS-L@lists.nau.edu>
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 10:59 AM
Subject: Re: electric power surplus
Why do folks so often present these arguments
otherwiseeither/or??? It IS possible to operate powerplants,
chemical plants, etc. with very low pollutionimpacts.
It's just easier and often cheaper to do
wrote:as
long as the indirect costs of pollution can bepassed
on to others. John BArrere
--- Rick Tarara <rtarara@SAINTMARYS.EDU>
technologystreetsAnd do you want to return to the days of mud
filled with horse
manure, to outhouses, to no medical
problemand
rampant disease, to
(more) widespread ignorance, etc? The
discardis
that you can't selectively
turn back the clock--keep the good and
what
sanitation)_you_ dislike. What you
might want to keep (say medical tech and
depends on those nasty
old power plants and chemical plants!
Rick
********************************************************Richard W. Tarara
Professor of Physics
Saint Mary's College
Notre Dame, Indiana
rtarara@saintmarys.edu
********************************************************Mac)Free Physics Educational Software (Win &
www.saintmarys.edu/~rtarara/software.html
NEW: Mac versions of Lab Simulations
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Sam Sampere"
hereTo: <PHYS-L@lists.nau.edu>
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 7:23 AM
Subject: Re: electric power surplus
The Labor Day storms knocked out power
survivefor
eveningsalmost one week and
people were in agony! I loved it. The
therewere so peaceful and
quiet. I'd love to go back to a time when
were way less people on
the planet, and they all knew how to
not.despite what Mother Nature
threw at them.
Sam
John Barrer wrote:
Do yu think you're being funny? You're
factories,John
<rlamont@POSTOFFICE.PROVIDENCE.EDU>Barrere
--- Bob LaMontagne
wrote:
Power plants, oil refineries,
thosehospitals -
they're all ugly,
smelly, and ruin the environment of
who
now!live
within 1000 ft of them.
Let's shut 'em all down. I say 6000 BC
environmental
Bob at PC
Tina Fanetti wrote:
And that because of needless