Re: "Dr." and all that

[Hugh Haskell <hhaskell@MINDSPRING.COM>]

> On Fri, 29 Dec 2000, Laurent Hodges wrote:
>
> >  Some Americans think "Dr." should only be used for M.D.s, but I notice that
> >  most people - adults and students - will refer to me as "Dr. Hodges" rather
> >  than "Mr. Hodges,"  and likewise with other university faculty.  Sometimes
> >  they use "Professor Hodges," of course.  Students often don't use any name.
> >   This past fall one of my female recitation students would call out,
> >  "Laurent," and it always startled me because I don't think any other
> >  student in the past 30+ years called me by my first name.  (Most, I think,
> >  are unwilling to try to pronounce it.)
> >
> >  Here's something curious, though:  An English doctor told me that in the
> >  England medical interns are called "Dr." but the distinguished surgeons are
>  > respectfully referred to as "Mister."

I don't recall the problem arising when I was in college. Virtually
all faculty members had PhDs, and so were addressed as "Dr." or
(preferentially) "Professor." By the time I got to grad school the
rules were starting to relax a bit. For the first couple of years, it
was the same as undergraduate times, but then, as our relationship
with our major professors matured we mostly got to a first-name
basis, at least with the faculty members in our department. My
situation was a bit unique (isn't that something like being a bit
pregnant?) since I was at the Navy's postgraduate school in Monterey,
CA, and many of us were older than the a good fraction of the
professors, and senior in rank to those few officers who were doing
their active duty as members of the faculty. In fact, by PhD advisor
had gotten his BS in physics three years after I had gotten mine.
Although we were on a first-name basis, I don't think either of us
was very comfortable with the other, and we have not maintained a
close relationship since, although it is cordial enough on those rare
occasions when we meet.

Now, along with Chuck Britton, I am teaching at a high school in
which about a third to a half of the faculty have PhDs, and all but
one of the seven physics teachers also do (that isn't a problem for
the odd-one-out, I don't think, because she is the best teacher of
the lot, and I think everyone realizes it, even if they don't all
admit it). Because it is a high school, there is very little pressure
to use first names to the teachers, although contrary to my college
experience, the faculty routinely call student by first names. I
think this establishes an authority line pretty clearly, and the
issue of calling the teachers Mr. or Ms., or Dr. doesn't seem
important to us, although the students take it surprisingly
seriously, being pretty careful to address those with PhDs as Dr. and
the rest as Mr. or Ms.--most of them, that is. The question often
comes up in class, and I usually reply with something to the effect,
"call me anything except late for dinner." That usually elicits a
smile and they proceed to call me Dr., but a few us Mr. (and I don't
correct them), and an occasional maverick just uses my last name with
no honorific. I haven't figured out a good way to kill that tendency
without embarrassing the student, so I've just ignored it.

However, when we refer to ourselves, or to each other when speaking
to students we always use the proper honorific, and I think that
pretty much sets the scene for most of them. This gets a habit
implanted that seems to carry on to college, at least when I talk
with our graduates they always refer to their profs as Dr. or
Professor.

As for MDs. I think they take it to extremes. Medical offices and
hospitals seem to have a severely controlled pecking order, with MDs
at the top, and everyone else way below. And nobody without an MD
seems to even entertain the notion of calling an MD anything but Dr,
especially if there might be a patient within earshot. Recently, when
I had to visit my local hospital for a minor surgical procedure, I
noticed the protocol in the operating room was informal downward and
formal upward, with the nurses and other staff referring to the MD in
charge as Dr even when he wasn't present, often just as "Dr." with no
name attached, and without "the" in front of it, as in "Will you
notify Dr. that the patient is ready?" I was slightly amused by this
practice, and during a lull in the preparations I commented that I
noticed that the operating room was on a first name basis, "He calls
you by your first name and you call him 'Dr.'" The nurse smiled
ruefully, and agreed that that was about the way it was.

I have found that in those medical practices where they are aware of
my PhD, the atmosphere is much more relaxed.

Some of you may recall the movie "Desperately Seeking Susan" from a
few years ago. Early on in the story, at a party hosted by the
heroine's husband, his sister, recently separated from her nth
husband was cruising the party looking for someone worthwhile to pick
up, and a friend pointed out a fellow across the room, saying he
looked interesting. She agreed, and then asked "Is he a Dr?" the
reply was, "Well, no, but he is a dentist." As she set off across the
room on her mission of conquest she said, "Well, at least he's not a
PhD." In that context, I suspect the issue was money. In spite of the
implied insult, I thought it was a pretty funny line.

I do, however, rather resent the success with which the MD community
seem to have preempted the title Dr., especially amongst the general
population. It is only MDs that seem to be introduced as "Dr." at
social occasions. I see no point in that except that it serves to
further exalt the ego of the person being introduced. I have no more
objection to the use of the title in a professional setting than I do
to its use in an educational setting, but it seems to serve no useful
purpose elsewhere. I have gotten into the habit of referring to MD as
"physicians" rather than "Drs," especially when I am talking directly
to them. It seems to me to be the correct title when referring to
someone, rather than when addressing them.

Hugh
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