Chronology Current Month Current Thread Current Date
[Year List] [Month List (current year)] [Date Index] [Thread Index] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Date Prev] [Date Next]

Re: A language issue (comment)



As a graduate student at U. of Kansas ('59-'63), I helped Jim and Rowena Peoples edit manuscripts submitted to the Journal of Geophysical Research. Rowena taught me more about correct grammar and word usage than any English teacher I ever had. That-which misuse was probably the most prevalent slip of the pen she caught.
 
All guides to good word usage tell us that the choice between these two relative pronouns is bound up with the distinction between restrictive clauses (those that define and limit what precedes by providing information necessary to full understanding) and nonrestrictive ones. Robert Claiborne in Saying What You Mean says:
 
"That goes only with restrictive clauses (those not set off with commas, as in the girl that I married). Which, on the other hand, has for centuries been used with both kinds of clauses, the commas alone marking the distinction. Which is required in restrictive clauses following an earlier that (the love that dares not speak its name, but that love which dares not speak its name).
 
"Since it's the commas that really do the job, and can muddle your meaning if you misuse them, the main value of the rather nebulous that/which distinction is that it forces you to think about whether your clause is or isn't restrictive--that is, whether the commas are needed. If you get the commas right, you can use which (or who if you're talking about people) on any occasion.
 
"Note, too, that that can often be dropped entirely (the girl I married)--which is one less decision (that) you'll have to make."
 
Harry Shaw in Dictionary of Problem Words and Expressions adds:
 
"That is often used in illiterate or wordy expressions. 'That there child' is both wordy and illiterate. 'That is to say' is a wordy way to express 'I mean' or 'namely.'
 
"That and which (especially which) are often used in such a way as to create doubt about  the antecedent. Avoid saying, for example, 'They are coming if their daughter is well enough, which I doubt,' because the which has no definite antecedent. Say, instead, '. . . is well enough. However, I doubt that she will be.' "
 
As John Chiordi used to say in his essays on NPR, "Good words to you."
 
Paul O. Johnson
Collin County College
 
----- Original Message -----
From: "Leigh Palmer" <palmer@SFU.CA>
To: <PHYS-L@lists.nau.edu>
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2000 12:16 PM
Subject: A language issue (comment)

> I think I'm too old to understand the nuances here, but as I
> originally wrote the clause, it was jarring to reread. That "which"
> just doesn't seem to belong, and it is distracting, to me at least.
> I tried to read Fowler's on this issue but it is too difficult for
> me to follow. I do get the idea that the issue is confused, and
> that hard rules are difficult to formulate in this case.
>
> It is certainly important that we be sensitive to language in our
> teaching. I am curious about others' opinions on the clarity of the
> particular clause under scrutiny here, but I do not wish to ignite
> a firestorm of grammarian-antigrammarian rage.
>
> Leigh