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[Phys-L] A differing "feedback" Was: Re: [Wikimedia Foundation] Re: Re: ♥ Valentine Video from Wikipedia ♥ (ticket #29035)



Josh!

Here's differing "feed back":


"We" in the physics teaching community (more specifically - phys-l Phys-l Info Page http://www.phys-l.org/mailman/listinfo/phys-l )

have found the anyone may edit wiki. pp. "problematic". As one member has posted:
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The problem is that wikipedia is a moving target. This is a
lose/lose situation:
-- If you fix it, it might not stay fixed.
-- If you try to use it as an object of derision, it might
not stay broken.
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following is that complete post; below which is my suggestion to John Denker et alii:
[this thread was precipitated by the wiki's electrophorus page.]
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On 2013, Feb 25, , at 00:44, John Denker <jsd@av8n.com> wrote:

On 02/24/2013 10:37 PM, Chuck Britton wrote:
Can the WikiPedia article be improved?
Or is it more valuables as an object of derision?

The problem is that wikipedia is a moving target. This is a
lose/lose situation:
-- If you fix it, it might not stay fixed.
-- If you try to use it as an object of derision, it might
not stay broken.

At one point I fixed the wikipedia article on "Entropy".
I got a huge amount of positive, flattering feedback, saying
that it was both correct and easy to follow. Then a few weeks
later everything I had done was gone. It turns out that people
with a high-school-level exposure to the topic greatly outnumber
people who actually understand the topic, and they have a lot
more time on their hands.

At one point I tried to fix the wikipedia article on "Scientific
method". I was told by one of the official staff editors (not
merely some random contributor) that the article should reflect the
meaning of the term "as it is commonly understood by the general
public"

Allow my interjection here: I thought the point of wiki. was to correctly inform, not to repeat the common understanding.

and that any effort to point out that real scientists
consider this to be ludicrously incorrect would not be welcome.
This reminds me of my experience when I attempt to correct misapprehensions by HS teachers of, for example, general relativity. A U. prof. friend advised me that if I argued, I'd lose, as all the HS teachers would gang up on me, which they have.

So now you know why I choose to maintain my own site. Others are
free to choose differently.
http://www.av8n.com/physics/scientific-methods.htm
http://www.av8n.com/physics/thermo/entropy.html

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As for the electrophorus topic: The following is a work in
progress. Right now it is about half finished:
http://www.av8n.com/physics/electrophorus.htm

IMHO it provides a good example of a real-world open-ended
question. Suppose somebody asks you what is an electrophorus,
and how does it work? By googling you can get a rough description
of its structure and general method of operation, but the explanation
of how it works is obviously bogus. So you start to wonder, how
does the thing actually work? Are there perhaps some important
components and/or procedures that have not been mentioned? Is
there perhaps a modified version that works better and/or is
easier to explain? Etc. etc. etc.

My explanation is not finished, but you can see where it is
going. It is markedly different than most of the other alleged
explanations out there.

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bc suggests adding links to the appropriate www.av8n.com pages in the problem wiki. pp. These may remain longer than fixes.

On 2013, Feb 24, , at 16:28, Wikimedia Foundation <fundraising@wikimedia.org> wrote:


Josh VanDavier, Feb 24 04:28 pm (PST):
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