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[Phys-L] Copyright: Response to Taber



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The abstract of my post "Re: copyright" [Hake (2012a)] reads in part [bracketed by lines "HHHH. . . . ."]:

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I think that DJW's making pdf's available to her students would be in accord with "Fair Use" of copyrighted material as provided for in Sections 107 and 108 of the US Copyright Law; see e.g., Cornell University Law School information for Sect. 107 at <http://bit.ly/eNseEp> and Sect. 108 at <http://bit.ly/qyWm2Y>.

In the latter it's stated that (translating from legalise to English): "it is not an infringement of copyright for a library or archives to reproduce no more than one copy of a work, and to distribute such copy, provided the distribution is made without any purpose of direct or indirect commercial advantage and includes a notice that the work is or may be protected by copyright."

It should be noted that standardista-basher Susan Ohanian <http://bit.ly/LPTI2p> and the indefatigable Jerry Becker <http://bit.ly/OOwkNZ> have both been distributing copyrighted material for years without substantive problems. Doubtless the verb "becker," meaning "to distribute copyrighted material free of charge, consistent with 'Fair Use', " will doubtless make it into Webster's by 2020.
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To which Keith Taber (2012a) responded in part [slightly edited for clarity; bracketed by lines "TTTTTT. . . . .", my insertion of numbers 1, 2, 3. . . . ."):

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1. In response to Richard Hake's multiple postings last night on 'several discussion lists' regarding his views on what is allowed under copyright . . . .,

2. i.e., that passing on pdfs (technically transmitting copies of the file) of a copyright article to a group of people is okay.

3. I cannot see how Hake can draw the conclusion that this is fair use based on the quote he gave (which surely should not be a quote if it is in his own 'translated' words):

4. it is clearly NOT covered because a whole article is being reproduced electronically and distributed to several people. If copyright is reserved for the article, then this will almost certainly be an infringement of the conditions of use. (Please see my PhysLrnR post "Re: copyright" [Taber (2012b)] of 15th July.)

5. I think it is a little dangerous to post suggestions that such copyright infringements are covered by fair use.
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Considering Taber's five points (above) in order:

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1. Taber (2012a) wrote: "In response to Richard Hake's multiple postings last night on 'several discussion lists' regarding his views on what is allowed under copyright . . . . ,"

WRONG! My post "Re: copyright" [Hake (2012a)] did NOT give "my views" on copyright. Instead, as stated in the abstract it relayed:

a. " 'Fair Use' of copyrighted material as provided for in Sections 107 and 108 of the US Copyright Law; see e.g., Cornell University Law School information for Sect. 107 at <http://bit.ly/eNseEp> and Sect. 108 at <http://bit.ly/qyWm2Y>."

b. my translation of Sect.108 at <http://bit.ly/qyWm2Y> from legalise to English.

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2. Taber (2012a) wrote: "that passing on pdfs (technically transmitting copies of the file) of a copyright article to a group of people is okay."

WRONG! What I wrote in Hake (2012a) was: "I think that DJW's making pdf's available to her students would be in accord with 'Fair Use' of copyrighted material." DJW need not transmit copies of the pdf file in order to make pdf's available to her students. She could, for example, place the pdf file on her own website in accord with "Fair Use," Sect. 107 at <http://bit.ly/eNseEp> and Sect. 108 at <http://bit.ly/qyWm2Y>, and as done e.g., by Joe Redish <http://bit.ly/M91ORI> and David Meltzer <http://bit.ly/evNlqb>, and then transmit the URL to her students.

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3. Taber (2012a) wrote: "I cannot see how Hake can draw the conclusion that this is fair use based on the quote he gave (which surely should not be a quote if it is in his own 'translated' words):

WRONG! I drew the conclusion "that DJW's making pdf's available to her students would be in accord with 'Fair Use' of copyrighted material" on the basis of:

a. Sections 107 and 108 of the US Copyright Law; see e.g., Cornell University Law School information for Sect. 107 at <http://bit.ly/eNseEp> and Sect. 108 at <http://bit.ly/qyWm2Y>, and

b. my translation of Sect.108 at <http://bit.ly/qyWm2Y> from legalise to English.

Even if Taber and others disagree with "b" they cannot dismiss "a".

As regards Taber's charge that I have misused quotation marks, Taber evidently is unaware that, according to e.g., Webster's New Collegiate Dictionary, 1980, p. 1587, double quotation marks "...." may be used, not only to enclose direct quotations, but also: "to enclose words or phrases borrowed from others, words used in a special way, . . . ."

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4. Taber (2012a) wrote: "it is clearly NOT covered because a whole article is being reproduced electronically and distributed to several people. If copyright is reserved for the article, then this will almost certainly be an infringement of the conditions of use. (Please see my PhysLrnR post "Re: copyright" [Taber (2012b)] of 15th July.)"

WRONG! Please see Sections 107 and 108 of the US Copyright Law; see e.g., Cornell University Law School information for Sect. 107 at <http://bit.ly/eNseEp> and Sect. 108 at <http://bit.ly/qyWm2Y>. Also, as indicated in my PhysLrnR post "Re: copyright" [Hake (2012b)]:

". . . . if it is ILLEGAL to transmit electronic pdf's, how is it that Susan Ohanian <http://bit.ly/LPTI2p>, Net-Gold's David Dillard <http://yhoo.it/Ob44aC>, and Math-Teach's indefatigable Jerry Becker <http://bit.ly/OOwkNZ> are not either in jail or bankrupted by legal fees? Not to mention Joe Redish <http://bit.ly/M91ORI> and David Meltzer <http://bit.ly/evNlqb>.


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5. Taber (2012a) wrote: "I think it is a little dangerous to post suggestions that such copyright infringements are covered by fair use."

I think it is a little dangerous for Taber (2012a) to post suggestions that "Fair Use" as set forth in Sections 107 and 108 of the US Copyright Law; see e.g., Cornell University Law School information for Sect. 107 at <http://bit.ly/eNseEp> and Sect. 108 at <http://bit.ly/qyWm2Y> is illegal.


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Hake, R.R. 2012a. "Re: copyright" online on the OPEN AERA-L archives at <http://bit.ly/LWmBtO>. Post of 17 Jul 2012 09:34:35 -0700 to AERA-L and Net-Gold. The abstract and link to the complete post are being transmitted to several discussion lists and are also on my blog "Hake'sEdStuff" at <http://bit.ly/LwI2jv> with a provision for comments. I apologized in Hake (2012c) for misspelling "Barowy" as "Baraway."

Hake, R.R. 2012b. "Re: copyright" online on the CLOSED! PhysLrnR archives at <http://bit.ly/O4g2Vx>. Post of 17 Jul 2012 19:29:26 -0700 to PhysLrnR.

Hake, R.R. 2012c. "Re: copyright" online on the CLOSED! PhysLrnR archives at <http://bit.ly/MkN4MY>. Post of 18 Jul 2012 15:23:47-0700 to PhysLrnR.

Taber, K. 2102a. "Re: copyright," online on the OPEN! Phys-L archives at <http://bit.ly/NO2AnD>. Post of 19 Jul 2012 08:37:23 +0100 to Phys-L and several other discussion lists, among them PhysLrnR and AERA-K.

Taber, K. 2102b. "Re: copyright," online on the CLOSED! PhysLrnR archives at <http://bit.ly/NO09kZ>. Post of 15 Jul 2012 18:33:48+0100 to PhysLrnR.