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Re: [Phys-L] Electric Current ... charge versus gorge



On 02/16/2018 06:11 AM, Jeffrey Schnick wrote:
I generally think of the
derivative of something with respect to time as the rate of change of
that something.

Sure. By definition.

In the case of a simple circuit such as a resistor
connected across a battery, the current is typically written as
I=dq/dt.

That's correct (not just typical).

The question is, what is the q that is changing?

Interesting question. There are two issues here,
namely the /physics/ and the /terminology/.

In the
case of a different circuit, where charge is piling up on the plate
of a capacitor, it's just the charge on that capacitor plate; no
problem there.

That's pretty much the entire physics.

The best I can come up with is that q represents the total amount of
charge that has crossed a boundary in one of the two possible
directions, where the boundary is the point in the circuit to which
the current pertains,

That is another equally-correct way of looking at
the physics.

and for charge that has made it all the way
around the loop, double counting is allowed; each time that charge
passes through boundary it contributes to the q.

It seems unnecessary to say that. Harmless, but
unnecessary. The charge doesn't come with labels,
so you'll never know whether any particular bit
has crossed twice or not.

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The rest is a separate issue:

But in the case of a resistor connected across a
battery, nothing has the charge q that is changing with time. We
write the expression as if q were a state variable, but nothing has
the corresponding state.

That's an excellent point, but it's just a snafu
in the terminology. The so-called "charge" in a
battery or capacitor is a misnomer, of the kind
that leads to terrible misconceptions. It would
be better to call it the /gorge/, and to speak
of gorging and disgorging the device.

In particular, charge is strictly conserved, but
gorge is not. For details, including diagrams and
equations, see
https://www.av8n.com/physics/gorge-vs-charge.htm