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Re: [Phys-l] Cramster et al.




We have enough entitlements in this country to bankrupt us many times over.
Haven't you figured out yet that socialism has never and will never work to
ensure a sustainable, productive society?

Capitalism (with the minimal government regulation) is the only way for humans
to be both incentivized and rewarded for their efforts in an reasonable manner
and maintain their freedom to achieve as they choose and enjoy the fruits of
their labors.

No free university education - thank you.


It is for this very reason (minimum benefit) that in England (at least under
Harold wilson's socialist government**), students obtain council grants for
their living expenses, and the U is free. "New Labour" replaced Clause IV in
1995. I don't know what effect that had - or what Maggie did.

I suspect most of Europe ensures students have a maximum benefit.

Don't bet on it here as long as the gov't is wedded to capitalism.

Under the "Pat" Brown administration the UC was tuition-less. The only fee
was the "incidental fee ($57), which included subsidy for campus orgs.



** Clause IV

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clause_IV


bc "sees'" the US becoming a third world country.


On 2010, May 12, , at 20:42, Jack Uretsky wrote:

Hi all-
I would add to Michael's comments the following observation:
I observed Community college students arriving at school an hour, or so,
before class and sitting down to do their homework, often with earphones
attached to their heads. Often, I was told, they had worked at night jobs
the night before and were tryng to do homework in the only time available
to them. To the extent that they are "working their way through college".
often claimed as a commendable enterprise, they are guaranteed to be
getting minimum benefit from the college experience. Perhaps there are
steps we can take to help such people.
Regards,
Jack

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