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Re: [Phys-l] AP on GPA (the other AP)



I have no magic solutions, but I have more information.

(1) I have served on the Admissions and Scholarship Committee several times in the last 29 years. Historically there has been a reason that class rank was considered a good indicator of college success. As I describe below, that may be changing, but first I will describe why it has been considered a good predictor.

High school grades are not considered a good predictor because high schools differ so much in terms of what an A (or B or C) means or doesn't mean. Even ACT and SAT scores are problematic because students from a rural, or inner city, or poor schools might not get the same breadth or same academic atmosphere as a richer or private school even though some of those students are very bright. When that is the case, they might succeed very well in college even with a medium ACT/SAT score. However, one thing the bright students have tended to do is rise to the top of whatever situation they are in. Therefore, even though the top few students from a "weak" school might not show well on standardized exams, they did rise to the top at their school, and they are likely to try to do the same thing in college. That doesn't mean they will succeed, but they are likely to try, and they likely did develop some good study habits and time management skills in their rise to the top.

At my institution, as is often the case, students in the top 10% of their high-school class qualify for better scholarships and for our honors program, etc.

(2) One reason this is changing is grade inflation is so bad that there are multiple students getting 4.0 GPA in high schools. In a large school this can run into the tens of students or even scores of students. Depending on the year, my local high school graduates 75 to 100 students each year. In 2004 when my daughter graduated, there were three students out of 84 with 4.0 GPA. That was a considerable improvement from when my son graduated in 2000 and there were 15 students with 4.00 out of 104 in the class.

Thus, in 2000, if you didn't have a 4.0 at Bluffton High School, you weren't even in the top 10% of your class.

It was asked how these multiple 4.0 students are reported in terms of class rank. They were all reported as 1 of 84 (in 2004) or 1 of 104 (in 2000). My daughter was one of the 4.0 students in 2004, and was therefore one of three valedictorians. [Aside... There was a period when some colleges in Ohio were giving full-tuition scholarships to class valedictorians. Unfortunately that ended before my daughter graduated, because multiple valedictorians became too common. So my daughter is currently in college with some level of scholarship, but nothing near full tuition.] Anyway, it states on her transcript (which is the only thing the college admissions people see concerning class rank) that she graduated 1 of 84. But of course there were two other students with transcripts saying that. The person who had one B grade in all of 4 years of high school is a good friend of my daughter, and his transcript says his class rank was 4 of 84.

(3) Another reason class rank is losing its meaning is because there are now ways for "motivated students" to rise to the top that don't include the preferred type of scholarly activity. Instead of rising to the top by working hard and mastering the material, you can take the alternative route of mastering the game of "extra credit." To make matters worse, the extra credit often does not have relate to the particular curriculum. At many schools students can get extra chemistry credit for showing up for a special breakfast on "mole day" (pi day for math folks). They can fill out a 3x5 card on something they read in Science News or similar publication and get extra credit in chemistry even if the article is about astronomy. The list is long.

When the college admissions and scholarship folks see a 4.0 student ranked 1 out of N students, not only is it unknown how may others were ranked 1 of N, but it also is unknown whether the particular student being considered for scholarships got to the number-one slot by mastering the material or mastering extra credit.

Once these students matriculate, it is obvious to me which students mastered extra credit, because they come to me when they realize they aren't going to get an A in my class, and they want to know if I can give them some extra credit assignments. When I say no, and suggest they work more problems in the back of the chapter, and I offer to help them when they're stuck on a problem, but I won't give extra credit... I often hear, "But if I get a B in this class it will be the first time in my life that I didn't get an A." Although I have to struggle to keep from being sarcastic, I try to be kind as I tell them that they have to get their first B sometime, and the likelihood of going through life and always being 1st in the class is very, very small.

Final general remarks... I thought, roughly 30 years ago, that class rank was a pretty good indicator of scholarship. Grade inflation is now so bad that many students rank 1 of N. Couple that with the curse of extra credit and not knowing which students took the extra-credit route to high class rank, and my opinion of class rank is greatly diminished. I have been aware of grade inflation for some time, so I know grades can't be trusted. I know some students shine in college who don't have the highest ACT scores. But for many years class rank seemed a pretty good indicator. Now I don't even trust that. Something needs to change. I suppose I would start by eliminating extra credit and taking other steps to reverse grade inflation.

My wife teaches 5th grade in the Bluffton system. We know most of the teachers throughout the school system fairly well. We have been actively campaigning to get teachers to fight grade inflation and eliminate extra credit. It is not clear we are making any progress. I also advise the chemistry and physics Bluffton University students heading into HS teaching. I keep contact with them after they graduate, particularly if they teach within about 50 miles of here. They tell me the extra-credit situation is rampant throughout the area.

An anecdotal experience... I mentioned that my son's class of 2000 had 15 of 104 students with 4.0 GPA. I know all of those students. I know all but one maintained a 4-point by massive extra credit. I also know there was another slug of students who had GPAs of 3.9+ and 3.8+, many of whom got those grades by massive extra credit, although some did indeed get those grades without much extra credit. My son, on the other hand, absolutely refused to do any extra credit, and he ended up with a 3.72 GPA, and that is probably a pretty good indication of his scholarship. He was ranked 31 out of 104 students. The guidance counselor, a friend of mine, told me that my son's ACT score was 2nd highest in the class, and most of the 4-pointers were at least 5 points below him. So he graduated with a 3.72 GPA, had significanly higher ACT score than most students ranked ahead of him, but he didn't even graduate in the top 25% of his class. That means he not only did not get offered scholarships at many colleges to which he applied, he didn't even get accepted at some of the selective schools who don't accept students below the top 25%. I am not talking about Ivy League schools because he did not apply to any schools outside of Ohio, Indiana, and Michigan. I'm certainly not saying he would have been 1st if there hadn't been a massive extra-credit system which he refused to play, but I'm reasonably sure he would have been in the top 10%, and I'm positive he would have been in the top 25%.

As I said, this is anecdotal, but I believe it is generally true that a student who does not play the extra credit game can get pretty beat up in terms of class rank.

Michael D. Edmiston, Ph.D.
Professor of Physics and Chemistry
Bluffton University
Bluffton, OH 45817
(419)-358-3270
edmiston@bluffton.edu