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Re: [Phys-l] Magnetic force and work - space-time approach?



I'll elaborate a bit on John D's last remarks, I think we are more or
less on the same page now, but . . . (just to make sure)

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| The question makes sense only in a particular frame, because
| the decomposition of F into a spacelike part (B) and a
| timelike part (E) only makes sense w.r.t a particular frame.
|

Of course, since the question does the magnetic force do work only makes
sense in a specific frame where we can decompose F into E and B pieces.

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| Of course the question "did work get done" is frame-dependent in
| a big way.

Agreed, which is why if magnetic forces do no work, its important that,
what is B?, be frame dependent as well.

| This is neither completely the same nor completely different
| from my earlier point that you can do magnetic work on the
| permanent dipole moment of elementary particles. An electron
| is *not* just a test charge; it has a magnetic moment, too.
|

This is a different question; though certainly very germane to my
students original question, and hence my original post.

Spin is a Quantum Mechanical effect as I understand it. So it seems
very interesting to me that in the classical world we have that magnetic
forces do no work (non-existence of magnetic monopoles being understood
in the statement); but the quantum world obviates that admonition.

I'm guessing there may be something deep in that; but I'm too dense
(don't understand QED enough) to say much more.

Joel R.