[Phys-L] Re: [SPAM-4.611] Re: THE WEDGE STRATEGY of The ID Movement

[mshapiro at EXCHANGE.FULLERTON.EDU (Shapiro, Mark)]

This sounds nice, but in reality emergency rooms at private hospitals
are only required to treat and STABILIZE patients who present with
EMERGENCY medical needs.  The parents of a child with a medical problem
that is not life threatening may have to wait hours for care for their
child, and if follow-up care is needed for a problem that does not
require immediate treatment they may be referred to the nearest public
hospital or clinic, where again wait times may be in the hours.  Parents
who work minimum wage jobs, may not be able to spend those hours
waiting.  And, instead, they wait until the kid gets really, really sick
be for seeking treatment.

As a result many children of hard-working parents (as well as the kids
of the lazy dysfunctional drug addicts, etc.), particularly those in
poorer states, get third-world health care.

Dr. Mark H. Shapiro
Professor of Physics, Emeritus
California State University, Fullerton
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From: Forum for Physics Educators [mailto:PHYS-L@list1.ucc.nau.edu] On
Behalf Of rlamont
Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2005 1:31 PM
To: PHYS-L@LISTS.NAU.EDU
Subject: Re: [SPAM-4.611] Re: THE WEDGE STRATEGY of The ID Movement

I have stayed out of this discussion so far because it is inane
to argue these issues - everyone has their mind made up before
the discussion begins.

However, as a taxpayer, I couldn't let the comment below pass
without comment. NO baby goes without health care in America
because of lack of insurance or the inability to pay. If you are
truly poor you get de facto free health care. No emergency room
will turn you away, and your bills are basically uncollectible.
Many doctors in every city do pro bono work and treat the poor
and especially their children. Of course, the rest of us pay for
their services in the end.

The reason most babies have health problems that don't get
addressed is because of parents who have "better" things to do
with their time. They won't even take the time to get their lazy
butts out of bed in the morning to pack their kid a simple peanut
butter sandwich before they go to school. There is a whole class
of people out there who live totally dysfunctional lives
basically because of laziness and the incredibly generous
services provided by the state.

I have been having this discussion with a friend of mine for a
long time. She argues that when she takes her kids to grammar
school she sees many kids who are so poorly cared for that one
could argue that the would have been better off to have been
aborted and not grow up in such horrible conditions. I argue that
it is the dysfunctional culture that they come from that needs
aborting by whatever means possible.

Bob at PC (Atheist, Anti-Abortionist, Libertarian)

> > No.  Humanists see Human rights in broader terms. The right of
a
> fetu=
> s {read  BABY - liv ing being )
>
> No read Fetus. Calling a collection of embryo cells a baby is a
nice
> trick.
> BTW real babies go without health care in America, doesn't seem
to
> bother the
> "pro-lifers" at all.