[Phys-L] Re: THE WEDGE STRATEGY of The ID Movement

[twayburn at WT.NET (Tom Wayburn)]

Hello to Bob and many old PHYS-L friends.  I have not subscribed to P=
HYS-L for a number of years, but I have not forgotten the many stimul=
ating discussions on this listserver.  PHYS-L has been a wonderful im=
petus toward my continuing education in physics which is far from com=
plete.  I re-subscribed yesterday for a specific purpose which is not=
 unrelated to the problem of how to engage proponents of ID in meanin=
gful dialogue, the purpose of which, I must not disguise, is to disab=
use them of their manifold misconceptions. =20

Bob asks, "Why not start a movement toward fostering reason-based civ=
ility?"  The seeds of such a movement have been sewn in, of all place=
s, forums on Peak Oil with which many of you are familiar.  For the c=
onvenience of PHYS-L participants, who, presumable, understand the co=
nsequences of finiteness for an expanding economy, I will provide a l=
ist of Peak Oil URLs, after which  I will ask my question in another =
post so as to start a new subject properly.

Tom Wayburn, Houston, Texas, http://tinyurl.com/ex48c/

P.S.  I certainly am glad I used a spelling checker on PHYS-L.  When =
I google my name dozens of old posts on PHYS-L come up and none on an=
y other listserver save one.


            http://www.physicstoday.org/vol-57/iss-7/p47.html

http://www.peakoil.org/=20

http://ecoplan.org/

http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/peaklabor/

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AlasBabylon/

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/energyresources/

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EnergyRoundTable/

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Evolutionary_Psychology_Society/

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RunningOnEmptyPolitics/

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the_dieoff_QA/

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/long-emergency/

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FoodWaterShelter/

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RunningOnEmpty2/

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BeyondTEOTWAWKI/


http://cdegea.free.fr/.pub/er_worksheet.html  On survival in a Peak O=
il world

http://www.museletter.com/index.html  Richard Heinberg=92s Home Page

http://www.gulland.ca/depletion/Endofroad.htm by the late Mike Neligh

http://www.peakoil.net/uhdsg/Default.htm

http://www.dieoff.com/page69.htm

http://www.dieoff.org/page58.htm

http://www.mindfully.org/Sustainability/Americans-Consume-24percent.h=
tm

http://www.mindfully.org/Sustainability/Consumption-Industrialized-Co=
mmercialized.htm


----- Original Message -----=20
=46rom: "Bob Sciamanda" <trebor@WINBEAM.COM>
To: <PHYS-L@LISTS.NAU.EDU>
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 8:27 AM
Subject: Re: THE WEDGE STRATEGY of The ID Movement


> The underlying premise of this tirade seems to be that civilized be=
havior
> can only be motivated by theistic injunctions.  This is the error t=
hat needs
> correction. =20
> =20
> Bob Sciamanda
> Physics, Edinboro Univ of PA (Em)
> http://www.winbeam.com/~trebor/
> trebor@winbeam.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Robert B Zannelli" <Spinoza321@AOL.COM>
> To: <PHYS-L@LISTS.NAU.EDU>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 9:06 AM
> Subject: THE WEDGE STRATEGY of The ID Movement
> =20
> =20
> | THE WEDGE STRATEGY
> | CENTER FOR THE RENEWAL OF SCIENCE & CULTURE
> | INTRODUCTION
> | . . .
> | Materialists also undermined personal responsibility by asserting=
 that
> human
> | thoughts and behaviors are dictated by our biology and environmen=
t. The
> | results  can be seen in modern approaches to criminal justice, pr=
oduct
> liability,
> | and  welfare. In the materialist scheme of things, everyone is a =
victim
> and no
> | one  can be held accountable for his or her actions. . . .
> =20