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[Phys-L] Math education



Michael Edmiston's contribution (below) just reminded me of the time
that I asked my high school math teacher why we had to learn to solve
quadratic equations. His reply was to the effect that it is
something that everyone must know to be intelligent.

I came across similar problems with math teachers, but it wasn't until
much later in physics when I came across a problem
dealing with the time that it took for a free falling object to reach the
bottom of deep well.

The math teacher had no inkling that such real life problems existed.

Herb
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On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 02:50:41 -0400 Michael Edmiston
<edmiston@BLUFFTON.EDU> writes:
Those who have mentioned the disconnect between math education and
real-world reasoning are on target. Some have also mentioned the
inability to do word problems (we call them "story problems" around
here).

One of my favorite sad stories concerns a math major who dropped my
calculus-based physics course. The Math Department here does try
hard
to get their students to take physics, but they are only successful
with
perhaps 1 of 10 students. One math major who did enroll in physics
already had a typical year of calculus plus courses in differential
equations, multivariable calculus, discrete math. She was a junior
and
had a 4.0 GPA. We were about 4 weeks into the term when she came to
my
office with a "drop slip" for me to sign.

I asked her why she was dropping my course. She said, "I'm afraid
I
won't get an A in this class. I know I am not dumb because I am a
math
major and I have a 4-point GPA. But your class is so hard I just
don't
have the time to put in the effort I need to get an A, and I don't
want
to ruin my 4-point."

I said, "Well, I can't guarantee you will get an A or any other
grade,
but you ought to be able to get an A in this class; or at least a
B.
What do you think is the problem? For example, why aren't you
getting
better grades on the problem sets?

She said, "I hate story problems. I've never been any good at
story
problems. Every problem you've assigned is a story problem. Of
course
you didn't have much choice with the book you chose. Did you ever
notice that story problems are the only kind of problems in this
crazy
book?"

I then got her a little angry because I made the mistake of a
little
chuckle as I said, "But story problems are about the only things
that
matter because that's what the world is all about."

She then started giving me a list of all the things she could do.
For
example, "Give me an integral and I'll solve it for you. Give me a
differential equation and some boundary conditions and I'll find
the
solution."

And I understand from talking to the math profs that she could
indeed do
those things reasonably well. Now... want to know the real kicker?
Her
major was math education, and she is currently teaching high-school
math.

Please understand that the math profs at my institution are as
exasperated over this type of student as I am. That's why they try
to
get their students to take my physics course. But their 10%
success
rate at getting their majors to take physics is abysmal.
Furthermore,
their majors are about 70% math education, so they just keep
cranking
out more teachers who will graduate and perpetuate a system that
teaches
high-school students to believe that learning math means learning
all
the procedures to deal with various equations, but with a total
disconnect of how to come up with those equations and what the
equations
represent.

If that is not problem enough, add to that what others have
mentioned...
the average junior-high and high-school student didn't even learn
the
math techniques very well, and much of what they did "learn" they
forgot
by the time they got to college. When I show them the connection
between the math they "already learned" and the "real world" it
often
seems brand new to them. A few remark, "I remember seeing
something
like this before, but I never knew what it was good for." But most
don't even remember or admit they have seen it before.

That brings me to another common professor-student discussion. At
least
once a year a struggling student is in my office complaining, "This
is
so hard. I've never seen any of this before. I don't understand
any of
this stuff."

To which I reply, "Well that means you are getting your money's
worth.
You wouldn't want to pay all that tuition just to have me teach you
stuff you already know, would you?" Unfortunately that is exactly
what
many of them do want.

Michael D. Edmiston, Ph.D.
Professor of Physics and Chemistry
Bluffton University
Bluffton, OH 45817
(419)-358-3270
edmiston@bluffton.edu


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