Re: Basic Choices and Constraints on Long-Term Energy Supplies

[Jack Uretsky <jlu@HEP.ANL.GOV>]

Probably not!  Let's get back to the teaching of physics!


On Fri, 30 Jul 2004, Bob LaMontagne wrote:

> But "population control" is?    ;-)
>
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> On 7/30/2004 at 4:26 PM Jack Uretsky wrote:
>
> > I hear a strident political message; I'm not sure whether
> it's
> > Libertarian or Neo-Con.  I am confident, however, that it
> strikes me as
> > out of place for this list.
> >
> >
> > On Fri, 30 Jul 2004, Strickert, Rick wrote:
> >
> > > I appreciate the subsequent clarifications on
> "population control" and
> > "social engineering", particularly since these phrases
> have had pejorative
> > meanings associated with them.   Such pejorative meanings
> have arisen in
> > part because of Hollywood films or television shows
> featuring mass
> > propaganda schemes as part of the plot  ("Wag the Dog"
> comes to mind).
> > Despite, or maybe because of, this, David Marx and Rick
> Tarara advocate
> > such "tried and true methods of propaganda."
> > > However, people who intend to use the media "to
> encourage (glorify)
> > certain behavior" must realize the media will at the same
> time profitably
> > encourage and glorify alternative behaviors including
> exactly the opposite
> > behavior.  Television stations run slick PSAs against
> smoking, drugs,
> > dropping out of school, promiscious sex, drinking, etc.,
> but by the time
> > most of us return from the mayor's office, they are back
> to the show's
> > characters reveling in the "coolness" of these same
> activities.
> > > As for Mark Shapiro's promotion of "educational programs
> that provide
> > accurate information" (which sounds more refined than
> "propaganda"), the
> > same problem will occur when different programs provide
> accurate
> > information that conflicts with accurate information
> provided by other
> > educational groups.  If some of the public side with one
> group, and others
> > side with another, who decides which education program
> will be permitted
> > (or not)?
> > > Rick Tarara gives us a clue when he suggested such
> social engineering
> > techniques as "oppressive parking fees" and "tax
> incentives" that just
> > skip education and go right to the use of force by
> government
> > bureaucracies.
> > > Rick Strickert
> > > Austin, TX
> >
> > --
> > "Trust me.  I have a lot of experience at this."
> >                General Custer's unremembered message to
> his men,
> >                just before leading them into the Little
> Big Horn Valley

--
"Trust me.  I have a lot of experience at this."
                General Custer's unremembered message to his men,
                just before leading them into the Little Big Horn Valley