Re: MentorNet

[Richard Hake <rrhake@EARTHLINK.NET>]

Please excuse this cross-posting to discussion lists with archives at

Phys-L <http://lists.nau.edu/archives/phys-l.html>, and
PhysLrnR <http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/physlrnr.html>.

In his Phys-L post of 9 Oct 2002 00:14:34-0600 titled "Re:
MentorNet," Jim Green wrote (as bracketed below between
"GREEN-GREEN-....." so as to avoid the use of double and single
quotes or angle brackets):

GREEN-GREEN-GREEN=GREEN-GREEN=GREEN-GREEN-GREEN
We hear that --

>   in today's U.S. workforce, women are just over 9% of the engineers and
>  approximately 30% of the scientists.

And Richard Hake wonders why

> Perhaps Green's galaxy is not the same as ours. How else could he have
> gotten the notion that women don't want to be in science, math, and
> engineering? The Milky-Way-galaxy references in Mallow and Hake (2002)
> suggest just the opposite.

Richard, wake up!  Women likely are not more greatly represented because
they don't want to be!!!  In my experience they are surely better equipped
-- They just seem to have better sense.
GREEN-GREEN-GREEN=GREEN-GREEN=GREEN-GREEN-GREEN

Over in the mysterious Green Galaxy there is evidently a confusion
between Phys-L and PhysLrnR. Green is evidently responding to my
PhysLrnR post (Hake 2002) titled "Re: MentorNet," but his response
may make little sense to those Phys-L'ers who have not read Hake
(2002).

Because PhysLrnR denies non-subscribers access to its archives*, and
because discussion-list subscribers rarely bother to consult
archives, I give below the full content of my PhysLrnR post (Hake
2002):

HAKE-HAKE-HAKE-HAKE-HAKE-HAKE-HAKE-HAKE-HAKE-HAKE-HAKE
In his PhysLrnR. . .(also Phys-L). . . post of 7 Oct 2002
08:43:02-0400 titled "MentorNet" Warren Hein wrote:

"You already know that women are underrepresented in engineering,
mathematics, and science careers. For example, in today's U.S.
workforce, women are just over 9% of the engineers and approximately
30% of the scientists. Here's something you can do today to help
increase those numbers: Become an online mentor for MentorNet . . .
.(<http://www.MentorNet.net/>). . ., the Presidential Award winning
E-Mentoring Network for Women in Engineering and Science!"

For MentorNet and other mentoring programs to assist women in
science, math, and engineering, do a key word search for "mentor" at
Mallow & Hake (2002).

BTW, on 7 Oct 2002 14:34:24-0600, Jim Green responded. . .(Green
2002). . . from his "corner of the galaxy":

"Why should one try to imprison women where they have voluntarily
decided they don't want to be."

Perhaps Green's galaxy is not the same as ours. How else could he
have gotten the notion that women don't want to be in science, math,
and engineering? The Milky-Way-galaxy references in Mallow and Hake
(2002) suggest just the opposite.
HAKE-HAKE-HAKE-HAKE-HAKE-HAKE-HAKE-HAKE-HAKE-HAKE-HAKE

Richard Hake, Emeritus Professor of Physics, Indiana University
24245 Hatteras Street, Woodland Hills, CA 91367
<rrhake@earthlink.net>
<http://www.physics.indiana.edu/~hake>
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REFERENCES
Green, R.R. 2002. "Re: MentorNet," PhysLrnR post of 7 Oct 2002
14:34:24 -0600; online at
<http://listserv.boisestate.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0210&L=physlrnr&O=D&X=0CD844484F597CE74A&Y=rrhake@earthlink.net&P=1232>.

Hake, R.R. 2002. "Re: MentorNet," PhysLrnR post of 8 Oct 2002
16:45:28 -0700; online at
<http://listserv.boisestate.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0210&L=physlrnr&O=D&X=0CD844484F597CE74A&Y=rrhake@earthlink.net&P=1492>.

Mallow, J.V. & R.R. Hake. 2002. "Gender Issues in Physics/Science
Education (GIPSE) - Some Annotated References"; online at
<http://www.luc.edu/depts/physics/mallow.html> and
<http://www.physics.indiana.edu/~hake>: about 300 references and 200
hot-linked URL's. What are "annotated references"? See the Purdue
Online Writing Lab's explanation at
<http://owl.english.purdue.edu/handouts/general/gl_annotatedbib.html>.

This posting is the position of the writer, not that of SUNY-BSC, NAU or the AAPT.