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There is a problem with this kind of comments.
They are just for the present, because one day,
sooner or later, the level of the oceans will rise
and several streets of New York, Miami, San
Francisco, and several ports, will disappear.
Arnulfo Castellanos-Moreno
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick Tarara" <rtarara@SAINTMARYS.EDU>
To: <PHYS-L@lists.nau.edu>
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 11:04 AM
Subject: Re: electric power surplus
For example, the cost of converting from fossil fuels to renewables forALL
the energy needs in the US could run to TENS of TRILLIONS (10^12) ofgenerations.
dollars. This kind of expense must be spread over a couple of
On the other hand, feel free to donate your entire paycheck to the
environmental group of your choice. ;-)
Rick
See <http://www.saintmarys.edu/~rtarara/ENERGY_PROJECT/ENERGY2100.htm>
for a simple (Physics 101 level) model for making such a switch.
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Barrer" <forcejb@YAHOO.COM>
To: <PHYS-L@lists.nau.edu>
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 12:26 PM
Subject: Re: electric power surplus
It's all a matter of where one places one's
priorities. And, what's your evidence for "BIG"?
Compared to what? I think a generation is way too
long. Again, the issue is the real costs that are
borne by "others". Other people's pain like other
people's $$ is all-too-easily ignored. Barrere
--- Rick Tarara <rtarara@SAINTMARYS.EDU> wrote:
Sure you can have cleaner power and*********************************************************
manufacturing--but how quickly do you
want it. If tomorrow (or within a decade) then
expect to pay BIG bucks to
get it. If you regulate for new construction or
provide a reasonable
timetable for retrofitting, then you can have it in
a generation or so at a
modest cost. Seems to me that we are on the latter
course. It's the huge
number of power plants/manufacturing facilities that
is the hang-up.
Rick
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Professor of Physics
Saint Mary's College
Notre Dame, Indiana
rtarara@saintmarys.edu
Free Physics Educational Software (Win & Mac)********************************************************
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----- Original Message -----*********************************************************
From: "John Barrer" <forcejb@YAHOO.COM>
To: <PHYS-L@lists.nau.edu>
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 10:59 AM
Subject: Re: electric power surplus
Why do folks so often present these arguments asplants,
either/or??? It IS possible to operate power
chemical plants, etc. with very low pollutionimpacts.
It's just easier and often cheaper to do otherwiseas
long as the indirect costs of pollution can bepassed
on to others. John BArrerestreets
--- Rick Tarara <rtarara@SAINTMARYS.EDU> wrote:
And do you want to return to the days of mud
andfilled with horse
manure, to outhouses, to no medical technology
isrampant disease, to
(more) widespread ignorance, etc? The problem
whatthat you can't selectively
turn back the clock--keep the good and discard
sanitation)_you_ dislike. What you
might want to keep (say medical tech and
depends on those nasty
old power plants and chemical plants!
Rick
********************************************************Richard W. Tarara
Professor of Physics
Saint Mary's College
Notre Dame, Indiana
rtarara@saintmarys.edu
********************************************************Free Physics Educational Software (Win & Mac)
www.saintmarys.edu/~rtarara/software.html
NEW: Mac versions of Lab Simulations
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Sam Sampere" <sampere@PHYSICS.SYR.EDU>
To: <PHYS-L@lists.nau.edu>
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 7:23 AM
Subject: Re: electric power surplus
The Labor Day storms knocked out power here
eveningsalmost one week and
people were in agony! I loved it. The
therewere so peaceful and
quiet. I'd love to go back to a time when
Johnwere way less people on
the planet, and they all knew how to survivedespite what Mother Nature
threw at them.
Sam
John Barrer wrote:
Do yu think you're being funny? You're not.
who<rlamont@POSTOFFICE.PROVIDENCE.EDU>Barrere
--- Bob LaMontagne
hospitals -wrote:
Power plants, oil refineries, factories,
they're all ugly,
smelly, and ruin the environment of those
now!live
within 1000 ft of them.
Let's shut 'em all down. I say 6000 BC
environmental
Bob at PC
Tina Fanetti wrote:
And that because of needless
environmentalpowerregulation
and insufficient investment in electric
production.<<<
Why are you saying that the
__________________________________________________regulation is needless? Ha=
ve you ever lived by a power plant??
Tina
Tina Fanetti
Physics Instructor
Western Iowa Technical Community College
4647 Stone Ave
Sioux City IA 51102
712-274-8733 ext 1429
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