Re: reifying energy

[Brian Whatcott <inet@INTELLISYS.NET>]

Actually not.

The way that the number of electrons increases across some plane
 [in some time increment] is by increasing their drift velocity - in my
(always considered) view.
I take it that the number of mobile charge carriers in the usual course
of events is a function of the material, its state, and its cumulative
volume for any reasonable electric field strength - i.e reasonably
constant.

Brian

At 01:34 PM 5/9/02, you wrote:
> Imagine a swarm of electrons vibrating in a copper wire, Brian. There are
> two ways that the number of electrons passing a given reference plane in a
> half cycle can increase: either the number of electrons in the swarm
> increases or the wavelength of the vibration increases. Since the vibrationn
> frequency remains fixed at 60 Hz, the wavelength of a vibration also stays
> fixed. Therefore, the number of electrons vibrating must increase.
>
> poj
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Brian Whatcott" <inet@INTELLISYS.NET>
> To: <PHYS-L@lists.nau.edu>
> Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 11:44 AM
> Subject: Re: reifying energy
>
>
> > It is either a discussion gambit or a nit-pick I realise,
> > but the number of electrons that vibrate is not material,
> > but rather the number of electrons that pass a reference
> > plane.
> >
> > Brian
> >
> >
> > At 08:32 AM 5/9/02, you wrote:
> > >I think we're paying for (1) the potential difference that the utility
> > >company maintains across the wires at our meter (same price for everyone)
> > >and (2) the number of electrons residing in our household wiring that
> > >vibrate back and forth at 60 Hz (price depends on number of electrons
> made
> > >to vibrate by the loads we switch on).
> > >
> > >poj
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Larry Smith" <larry.smith@SNOW.EDU>
> > >To: <PHYS-L@lists.nau.edu>
> > >Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 10:36 PM
> > >Subject: reifying energy
> > >
> > >
> > > > Jim, Re: reifying energy,
> > > >
> > > > What am I paying my utility company for?  What do they give me in
> exchange
> > > > for my money?  I'm not buying electrons (which are real?).  Am I
> buying
> > > > energy (which is not real?)?  If energy is a property of objects can I
> buy
> > > > the property without buying the object?  Is this like a diaper service
> > > > where I'm buying not diapers but cleanliness?
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > Larry
> >
> > Brian Whatcott
> >    Altus OK                      Eureka!

Brian Whatcott
  Altus OK                      Eureka!