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Mark,on
First, I think you might want to get a new keyboard. It seems to be stuck
all caps.experiments
<< Where did the "general rules" come from? QUANTUM THEORY.
And I suppose these had nothing to do with real data coming from
involving the study of nature's rules. Quantum theory is just so muchit
mathematical poetry unless it accurately describes nature. That's the way
is.for
Do you agree with the rules? YES. THE PREDICTIONS OF QUANTUM THEORY ARE
EXTREMELY GOOD.
In other words, they can tell me that a red queen may be placed on a black
king below the aces in solitaire, but not above. They are a good model
nature's rules, but if they don't work, then nature still rules.PROBABLY
Can
you explain them to me within any level of why questions? YES, BUT
NOT AT A LEVEL THAT A MIDDLE SCHOOL CHILD COULD UNDERSTAND.they
Or, will you finally admit that these are the rules of the game, be as
are? THE POINT IS THAT PROPERTIES OF ATOMS CAN BE UNDERSTOOD WITHIN THEmatter
CONTEXT OF A VERY GOOD GENERALLY THEORY THAT REQUIRES A MINIMUM OF
ASSUMPTIONS.
So, if you can explain the rules, then, why is there matter? Why does
attract matter? Why do unlike charges attract and like charges repel?THE
<< Even for more basic questions where we don't have a pat answer, it
seems to
me that it would be better to say that "we don't know the answer to
that
question, but you might be the one to find out" rather than to tell the
kid
that "that's just the way it is".>>
What's wrong with saying, "That's the way it is," if this is the correct
answer? THE STATEMENT IS A TAUTOLOGY. IT CONVEYS NO NEW INFORMATION TO
STUDENT. IF I DIDN'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO A QUESTION, I WOULD SAY SO TOTHE
STUDENT AND HELP HIM OR HER TO FIND THE ANSWER. FOR QUESTIONS WHERE WELETTING
DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER, I'D SAY JUST THAT. THERE IS NOTHING WRONG IN
STUDENTS KNOW THAT THERE STILL ARE OPEN QUESTIONS.field
There are always open questions. But, not always open answers. If a
goal is worth three points, then it is worth three points. That is a ruleof
the game. When the rules are well defined, what's wrong with tellingHYDROGEN.
students they are well defined?
How do you explain the hydrogen atom having one proton and one
electron? I DON'T. THIS ISN'T THE ONLY STABLE CONFIGURATION FOR
DEUTERIUM (1 PROTON, 1 NEUTRON, 1 ELECTRON) ALSO IS A STABLECONFIGURATION.
TO
It's not that you don't explain why a hydrogen atom has one proton and one
electron, it's that you cannot explain it. There is no explanation other
than, this is a rule of nature's game.
<< The former is a good scientific answer, the latter is just ignorant
authoritarianism. But, I'm just being a bit irascible this morning.>>
Tell me what makes "we don't know the answer to that question, but you
might
be the one to find out" a good scientific answer. IT ENCOURAGES STUDENTS
FIND OUT MORE ABOUT WHY THINGS ARE THE WAY THEY ARE.OBSERVATIONS
Why is it better than
saying this is what has been observed in nature (that's the way it is).
SCIENCE IS MORE THAN A COLLECTION OF OBSERVATIONS. CONNECTING
TO THEORIES HELPS STUDENTS TO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS SYSTEMATICBEHAVIOR
IN NATURE.not
You are correct, science is more than a collection of observations. But,
telling students that the observations are what they are is a disservice.whether
Theories may not correctly model nature and nature couldn't care less
we understand her. However, if nature says something, then that's the wayit
is. Listen to her, and test your models against what she says.TEACHER
Also, I don't have any problem with there being an authority figure in a
classroom. I certainly hope the teacher is the authority figure.
Concerning
the ignorant part, this seems a typical response in the "intellectual"
community as part of an argument. Please explain. IN MY VIEW THE
NEEDS TO GUIDE STUDENTS TO UNDERSTANDING, AND TO HELP THEM LEARN MORE.ONE
CAN BE AN AUTHORITY FIGURE WITHOUT BEING AUTHORITARIAN.biology
This sounds reasonable. However, I hope you are not considering the
teacher that was the topic of this thread a few days ago an ignorantit
authoritarian simply because she supposedly told a student "That's the way
is" in response to an electron configuration. This is unjust.
Bob Carlson