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Re: What to "cover" (Was dimensionsless units etc.)



Middle school would be a GREAT place to start, but Herb Gottleib's point
about teacher availability is well taken. I'm doing some research on student
understanding of the concept of density; early results indicate that there
are many misconceptions among most students, from middle school through high
school as well as seniors in college who are preservice elementary school
teachers. This being the case with such a fundamental concept, I wonder
about asking middle school teachers to introduce physics. Where would they
start?

bob yeend
once and future high school physics teacher
(now goofing off in grad school)


--
Bob and Kathie Yeend <ryeend@earthlink.net>


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From: "John M. Clement" <clement@HAL-PC.ORG>
To: PHYS-L@lists.nau.edu
Subject: Re: What to "cover" (Was dimensionsless units etc.)
Date: Fri, Dec 1, 2000, 4:51 PM


Reform can always start at any point in the school system, but there is one
good indicator for starting in middle school. The TIMMS report showed that
US students fared well up to 4th grade. The major slide starts in middle
school. Yes, we do need to train better teachers in the grades, but
remember that most grade school teachers tend to be concrete thinkers.

A second reason for middle school is that is the age when there seems to be
a window of opportunity due to the rapid brain development, that is the
prelude to development of abstract thinking skills. This is precisely what
Shayer, Adey, and Yates have been able to do with their curriculum. They
are currently investigating the lower grades, but one fact emerged from
their research. The curriculum that they used seems to be effective in
increasing students thinking skills to where up to 70% achieve abstract
thinking at the end of HS. Similar attempts at earlier ages seem to be
able to advance the development of the higher stages of concrete thinking,
but they do not produce abstract thinking ability. Their curriculum uses
essentially very guided inquiry methods to build thinking skills. These
are the prerequisites for most of the sciences, especially physics. Their
curriculum also teaches some science as a by product.

I have found that a Piagetian test serves as a very good predictor for
student ability to learn physics concepts. Without the prerequisite
thinking ability, it is not possible to get very far in physics. With the
good thinking ability students zoom ahead easily. As a result, I feel that
the average HS physics course should be a good place to improve student
thinking ability, and I have had good success in doing this. Since the
majority of HS physics students will never take another physics course, and
only a very small minority will ever go on to a career in science, we need
to give then the best thinking ability, at the possible expense of a few
pieces of curriculum.

I am very doubtful about the great ideas in physics course. Most students
will not be able to understand the concepts very well without the necessary
background in the more classical physics. I would point to the articles at
http://www.phys.ksu.edu/perg/papers/narst/ especially the one by Wittman.
Has the great ideas curriculum been evaluated for effectiveness by pre and
posttests? I suspect that the students in that type of course just
memorize and forget. I take the point of view that all curricula should be
pre and posttested, and until then they should be treated as experimental
only. Education is currently in the same state medicine used to be in.
Doctors never really knew how good their treatments were until they bought
into the idea of rigorously testing the remedies. If doctors still relied
on testimonials the way educators do, we would still be treated with
leeches for most ailments.

Soon we may be able to evaluate the effectiveness of the PER curricula.
The best comparative evaluation needs to be about 4 years after the PER
inspired courses. They should be effective in raising the general thinking
ability of students. Thinking ability increases have the strongest effect
in the long term, with only limited effect in the short term. This is the
lesson that can be learned from the Shayer and Adey research. I would
point out that Feuerstein has also shown that his program can have better
effects in the long term. Is anyone looking at this?????

John M. Clement


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[mailto:PHYS-L@lists.nau.edu]On Behalf Of Dewey Dykstra, Jr.
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 10:20 AM
To: PHYS-L@lists.nau.edu
Subject: Re: What to "cover" (Was dimensionsless units etc.)


...The "ultimate" solution is to promote middle school curricula which
promote better thinking ability. This makes more possible l
ter on.

John M. Clement


Why wait to start there? It is clear that children think and quite
powerfully from birth (at least). They accomplish the major intellectual
feat of figuring out language FROM "SCRATCH" so to speak.

There are good examples that illustrate we do not have to wait
for children
to be able to think in math ed (see articles by Paul Cobb and
group) and in
science ed (in particular the work of Sr. Mary Gertrude Hennessey in Wisc
who was a student of Peter Hewson's). While the "science might not be all
that great" it is clear that children in Karen Gallas' book, Talking Their
Way Into Science, are thinking quite well, too.

Dewey


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