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Re: [Phys-L] The usual from Wurman



Thanks Jim, well done. Some sources of information are more reliable than others.

kyle

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1. The usual from Wurman (Jim Diamond)
2. Re: The usual from Wurman (Ze'ev Wurman)


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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2017 22:01:43 -0800
From: Jim Diamond <jiminoregon@gmail.com>
To: "Phys-L@Phys-L.org" <Phys-L@phys-l.org>
Subject: [Phys-L] The usual from Wurman
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I don't think I would encourage my students to use the Daily Mail as a
resource when writing a class assignment. It is a bit too lurid ("Mother is
sentenced to 16 years in prison for incest, sodomy and sex abuse of her son
beginning when he was FOUR"),
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4200308/Mom-gets-16-years-incest-sodomy-sex-abuse-son.html

sensationalistic ("The astonishing moment a Zebra's head is left poking out
of a giant croc's mouth after crossing the hungry beast in a murky watering
hole").
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4200364/Zebra-swallowed-crossing-croc.html


and a cauldron of click-bait ("From giraffes getting fruity to a naked
bottom and a proud nose-picker - can you spot the VERY distracting
background activities in these selfies?")
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-4198668/The-selfies-distracting-backgrounds.html.

Let's leave out the bizarre ("Police find 133 cats during a meth lab bust
at a squalid Louisiana home strewn with feces and are forced to euthanize
all of them"),
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4201182/Police-133-cats-meth-lab-bust-Louisiana.html
the titallating ("The biohacker developing an implantable VIBRATOR:
Inventor claims his 'Lovetron 9000' could boost pleasure for partners when
implanted under a man's pubic bone"),
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-4200956/Biohacker-Rich-Lee-developing-implantable-VIBRATOR.html

and the blatant sexualtization of social science ("Myth of the cougar...
she prefers older men! Majority of middle-aged women would choose a more
mature partner") as well.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-4198184/Myth-cougar-prefers-older-men.html


When I was teaching cliamte science to my own students, I would ask them to
refer to sources as close to the data as possible.

Sources like the National Snow & Ice Data Center, which has as its feature
article right now "2017 ushers in record low extent":
https://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/2017/02/2017-ushers-in-record-low-extent/
"Arctic sea ice extent for January 2017 averaged 13.38 million square
kilometers (5.17 million square miles), the lowest January extent in the
38-year satellite record. This is 260,000 square kilometers (100,000 square
miles) below January 2016, the previous lowest January extent, and 1.26
million square kilometers (487,000 square miles) below the January 1981 to
2010 long-term average."

Or NOAA, especially the State of the Climate report.
https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/
"2016 is Earth's warmest year, culminating in a remarkable 3-year streak of
record warm years for the globe."

Or like "Global Warming and Climate Change skepticism examined", with
reporting based on actual climate science, with its lead story: "Mail on
Sunday launches the first salvo in the latest war against climate
scientists"
https://skepticalscience.com/rose-launches-first-salvo-latest-war-against-climate-scientists.html

Or the science blog Variable Variablility, written by Victor Venema,
Meteorological Institute of the University of Bonn, with his lead story:
"David Rose's alternative reality in the Daily Mail".
http://variable-variability.blogspot.com/2017/02/david-roses-alternative-reality-noaa-Karl.html

Be sure to challenge your students (and yourself) by examing the graph in
Victor Venema's post: "You can see this "pause" in the graph below of the
global mean temperature. Can you find it?"

Did you find it?

And then there is the reliable blog And Then There's Physics (appropriate
for this list, what?), whose lead story is this: "Expose: David Rose does
not understand baselines"
https://andthentheresphysics.wordpress.com/2017/02/05/expose-david-rose-does-not-understand-baselines/

What do all of these have in common with the Daily Mail piece posted by the
visiting scholar at the Hoover Institution?

Nothing except the English language.

And it does appear that John J. Bates might have an axe to grind.

See Eli's very useful blog Rabett Running (actually Eli has been 'outed' as
Josh Halpern), "Boiling Bates Down"
http://rabett.blogspot.com/2017/02/boiling-bates-down.html
with the accompanying analysis by Scott Johnson at Ars Technica ("Article
names ?whistleblower? who told Congress that NOAA manipulated data").
https://arstechnica.com/science/2017/02/article-names-whistleblower-who-told-congress-that-noaa-manipulated-data/

As a teacher, I spend a lot of time developing resources for students. I do
read the scientific literature, but my undergraduate students need some
more: I have suggested these in the lsat decade (this is not an exclusive
list):
And Then There's Physics
Arctic Sea Ice
Energy and Environment - The Washington Post
Inside Climate News
National Snow and Ice Data Center (NSIDC)
Open Mind (by Tamino, aka Grant Foster)
Quark Soup (by David Appell)
Rabett Run
Real Climate
Science Daily
Skeptical Science
Variable Variability

This is a mix of sources from the casual to the condensed, all useful in my
book. I check these blogs and news aggregators on a daily basis, and I
recommend the same to anyone teaching climate science to undergraduates.

Don't bother with the Daily Mail.

And Happy Spring Festival to you and your family.. "Jinian jixiang" - May
fortune smile on you in this year of the rooster.
--
Jim


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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2017 22:56:42 -0800
From: Ze'ev Wurman <zeev@ieee.org>
To: Phys-L@Phys-L.org
Subject: Re: [Phys-L] The usual from Wurman
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Like a good modern scientist (should I put that in quotes?) Jim Diamond
attacks the source rather than the substance. Not too surprising.

So meanwhile here is another source, John Bates himself on Judith
Curry's blog.

https://judithcurry.com/2017/02/04/climate-scientists-versus-climate-data/

And here is Judith Curry herself:

https://judithcurry.com/2017/02/06/response-to-critiques-climate-scientists-versus-climate-data/

She actually even has something to say about those who like Diamond
smear the source. If Diamond, however, prefers a "reliable" media source
rather than the experts themselves he might prefer the New York Times
that, unsurprisingly, writes essentially that "there is nothing to see
here people; please move along." Except that he may hope we forgot about
Walter Duranty or Jayson Blair (or the NYT in the pre Iraq war period,
for that matter).

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/07/science/2015-climate-study-data.html

Physician, heal thyself!

What will be result of these new discoveries is uncertain, but Diamond's
ad hominem response is certainly ... how shall I put it? ...
disappointing. Even if unsurprising.

Ze'ev

On 2/7/2017 10:01 PM, Jim Diamond via Phys-l wrote:
I don't think I would encourage my students to use the Daily Mail as a
resource when writing a class assignment. It is a bit too lurid ("Mother is
sentenced to 16 years in prison for incest, sodomy and sex abuse of her son
beginning when he was FOUR"),
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4200308/Mom-gets-16-years-incest-sodomy-sex-abuse-son.html

sensationalistic ("The astonishing moment a Zebra's head is left poking out
of a giant croc's mouth after crossing the hungry beast in a murky watering
hole").
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4200364/Zebra-swallowed-crossing-croc.html


and a cauldron of click-bait ("From giraffes getting fruity to a naked
bottom and a proud nose-picker - can you spot the VERY distracting
background activities in these selfies?")
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-4198668/The-selfies-distracting-backgrounds.html.

Let's leave out the bizarre ("Police find 133 cats during a meth lab bust
at a squalid Louisiana home strewn with feces and are forced to euthanize
all of them"),
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4201182/Police-133-cats-meth-lab-bust-Louisiana.html
the titallating ("The biohacker developing an implantable VIBRATOR:
Inventor claims his 'Lovetron 9000' could boost pleasure for partners when
implanted under a man's pubic bone"),
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-4200956/Biohacker-Rich-Lee-developing-implantable-VIBRATOR.html

and the blatant sexualtization of social science ("Myth of the cougar...
she prefers older men! Majority of middle-aged women would choose a more
mature partner") as well.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-4198184/Myth-cougar-prefers-older-men.html


When I was teaching cliamte science to my own students, I would ask them to
refer to sources as close to the data as possible.

Sources like the National Snow & Ice Data Center, which has as its feature
article right now "2017 ushers in record low extent":
https://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/2017/02/2017-ushers-in-record-low-extent/
"Arctic sea ice extent for January 2017 averaged 13.38 million square
kilometers (5.17 million square miles), the lowest January extent in the
38-year satellite record. This is 260,000 square kilometers (100,000 square
miles) below January 2016, the previous lowest January extent, and 1.26
million square kilometers (487,000 square miles) below the January 1981 to
2010 long-term average."

Or NOAA, especially the State of the Climate report.
https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/
"2016 is Earth's warmest year, culminating in a remarkable 3-year streak of
record warm years for the globe."

Or like "Global Warming and Climate Change skepticism examined", with
reporting based on actual climate science, with its lead story: "Mail on
Sunday launches the first salvo in the latest war against climate
scientists"
https://skepticalscience.com/rose-launches-first-salvo-latest-war-against-climate-scientists.html

Or the science blog Variable Variablility, written by Victor Venema,
Meteorological Institute of the University of Bonn, with his lead story:
"David Rose's alternative reality in the Daily Mail".
http://variable-variability.blogspot.com/2017/02/david-roses-alternative-reality-noaa-Karl.html

Be sure to challenge your students (and yourself) by examing the graph in
Victor Venema's post: "You can see this "pause" in the graph below of the
global mean temperature. Can you find it?"

Did you find it?

And then there is the reliable blog And Then There's Physics (appropriate
for this list, what?), whose lead story is this: "Expose: David Rose does
not understand baselines"
https://andthentheresphysics.wordpress.com/2017/02/05/expose-david-rose-does-not-understand-baselines/

What do all of these have in common with the Daily Mail piece posted by the
visiting scholar at the Hoover Institution?

Nothing except the English language.

And it does appear that John J. Bates might have an axe to grind.

See Eli's very useful blog Rabett Running (actually Eli has been 'outed' as
Josh Halpern), "Boiling Bates Down"
http://rabett.blogspot.com/2017/02/boiling-bates-down.html
with the accompanying analysis by Scott Johnson at Ars Technica ("Article
names ?whistleblower? who told Congress that NOAA manipulated data").
https://arstechnica.com/science/2017/02/article-names-whistleblower-who-told-congress-that-noaa-manipulated-data/

As a teacher, I spend a lot of time developing resources for students. I do
read the scientific literature, but my undergraduate students need some
more: I have suggested these in the lsat decade (this is not an exclusive
list):
And Then There's Physics
Arctic Sea Ice
Energy and Environment - The Washington Post
Inside Climate News
National Snow and Ice Data Center (NSIDC)
Open Mind (by Tamino, aka Grant Foster)
Quark Soup (by David Appell)
Rabett Run
Real Climate
Science Daily
Skeptical Science
Variable Variability

This is a mix of sources from the casual to the condensed, all useful in my
book. I check these blogs and news aggregators on a daily basis, and I
recommend the same to anyone teaching climate science to undergraduates.

Don't bother with the Daily Mail.

And Happy Spring Festival to you and your family.. "Jinian jixiang" - May
fortune smile on you in this year of the rooster.
--
Jim
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