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Re: [Phys-L] speed of light .. foundational issues



On Friday, July 8, 2016 7:49 PM, John Denker <jsd@av8n.com> wrote:



*) Special relativity is the geometry and trigonometry of
 spacetime ... nothing more and nothing less.                          
*) *THE* length of a ruler is its proper length, defined in
 the frame comoving with the ruler.                              
*) *THE* timing of a clock is its proper time, defined in
 the frame comoving with the clock.                              
*) *THE* mass is the invariant mass.                              
*) The physics does not care what frame (if any) is chosen
 by whatever observers (if any) are involved.              
*) The /projection/ onto this-or-that frame will depend on
 the choice of frame, but that's just the projection;  that's
 not the real physics.  The shadow of a ruler changes if I
 rotate the ruler, but that's just the shadow;  *THE* length
 of the ruler is invariant.  This is not entirely a new idea;
 it has been understood for 2300 years that the thing that is
 most easily observed is not necessarily the best representation
 of the underlying reality.
   https://faculty.washington.edu/smcohen/320/cave.htm

Special relativity is the geometry and trigonometry of spacetime
... nothing more and nothing less.
It may be dangerous to represent our knowledge as an ultimate truth. First, SR is the geometry of the flat spacetime rather than any spacetime. Second, and more important, geometry of spacetime itself is, according to GR, determined by distribution of matter (its momentum-energy tensor). Quoting Wheeler & Co.: "Matter tells spacetime how to curve; spacetime tells matter how to move." So geometry, on the one hand, and dynamics (energy-momentum distribution) on the other, are the two inseparable sides of one coin.   Focusing on SR: the norm of a 4-vector is invariant under the Lorentz-transformations (or spacetime rotations).For a time-like 4-displacement its norm is the proper time between the corresponding events (in units with c=1).In an arbitrary inertial RF, its temporal and spacial components are the corresponding projections of the 4-displacement.   Similarly, for a time-like 4-momentum, its norm is the invariant mass of the respective object. Object's energy and momentum in an arbitrary RF are the corresponding projections of the 4-momentum vector. And one can illustrate such projections as the (appropriately cast!) shadows. No objections to this.    But for a space-like 4-displacement, its norm is the proper distance (spatial separation between the events in RF  K where they are simultaneous). Denoting such separation as S, we can write 
                                                     S^2= (Delta r)^2-(Delta t)^2 ,         (1)
where Delta r and Delta t are, respectively, the spatial and temporal projections (shadows) of the 4-displacement onto a frame other than K. But the proper distance S has nothing to do whatsoever with the proper length L of a ruler fitting the spatial separation between the considered events. The proof is trivial. Proper time of a process is less than its dilated time. Invariant mass of an object is less than its relativistic mass. Proper distance is, according to (1), less than |Delta r|. But the proper length of a ruler is greater than its Lorentz-contracted length if we identify the latter with Delta r.   Physically, S and L are determined by different measurement procedures. The first is measured in K where Delta t = 0. This automatically means that Delta t is non-zero in any other frame moving along the separation line between the events. In contrast, measuring Lorentz-contracted length of a ruler requires zero time (simultaneous marking) between its end points, with no requirements on the moments of their marking in its rest frame. So the Lorentz-contracted length of a ruler is NOT a "shadow" of its proper length.   The widely-spread confusion between the proper distance and the proper length and its teaching in colleges and perpetuation in some sources like Wikipedia shows that considering a concept after 1908 does not guarantee the correctness of the conclusion.     I also think that the statements           >"*) The physics does not care what frame (if any) is chosen
 by whatever observers (if any) are involved."and 
"*) The /projection/ onto this-or-that frame will depend on
 the choice of frame, but that's just the projection;  that's
 not the real physics."
 - contradict each other.     A more detailed discussion of all these questions can be found in:   Three +1 Faces of Invariance, arXiv:1001.0088 [physics.gen-ph]
   TwoPermanently Congruent Rods May Have Different Proper Lengths, arXiv:0807.0881 [physics.class-ph]     TheDynamics of Relativistic Length Contraction and the Ehrenfest Paradox, arXiv: 0712.3891 [physics.class-ph] and in my book "Special Relativity and How It Works"
Moses FayngoldNJIT
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