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Re: [Phys-L] abstractions



I should just shut up here..as I said I would, but one last note, and then I think it's time to fade into the background.

I have been concerned about the tone of this list for some time. I get the impression, maybe wrong, that some 'debate team' tactics are too often used to dismiss or ignore some of the points made by others. I do know (have been contacted by them) that people have left this list because (just like the hypothetical student who wouldn't question errors) they feel their ideas were being demeaned and were personally being belittled or at least these people felt that was happening. To be sure, this has become more subtle (not straight from the school of Hake) but maybe still there. It does seem to me personally that focusing on a post's hyperbole or sarcasm isn't entirely kosher...especially when we're pretty much all smart enough to recognize such.

Anyway, to my point in all of this:

While physics education can be improved especially at the lower levels, it would seem that what PER has taught us is that students come with a whole raft of pre/mis-conceptions that are rooted in their everyday experience (concrete experience) with the world around them. To deal with this, it would seem that confronting these head-on with concrete everyday counter examples and straight forward 'conceptual' arguments works better than jumping too quickly into the abstractions and mathematics of the science (hyperbole warning)--Newton before QED.

I've always thought Physics did this pretty well with the spiral approach common for physics majors--three level of mechanics, three of E&M, two or three for thermo, etc. My only suggestion has been that this spiral starts one level too high. Having taught those 3.5 decades, teaching both liberal arts 'conceptual' physics and science/engineering major intro calculus level physics, I see great value in starting even future physics majors with an almost purely conceptual course--one without the mechanical problem solving (another whole discussion to deal with that) so prevalent, now even at the High School level. [Yes, there are some, maybe many who feel that without the math and problem solving it 'ain't' physics, but there I disagree.] Consequently, within _my_ problem solving courses, there has been a large dose of the same kind of conceptual instruction and assessment that I use in the general education classes. The engineering/science students have the same kinds of problems with the concepts as the gen-ed students even though they actually can calculate 10% of a 100 correctly (all the time). So--the spiral approach can start out grounded in everyday, concrete examples, with forces as 'real' and primary, with energy divided into artificial categories, doing calorimetry (just like it was the 19th century), maybe even with moving clocks running slow ;-) , etc. but then moving on to the more abstract notions, the more mathematical approaches, and for the theoretical PhDs, ending up 'at the right place.'

OK...is it really better to start out 'black' to end up 'white' or to start out dark grey and end up light grey? I don't know, and not sure how to try it or assess it. One of my problems with many PER techniques (besides whether or not they interfere with individual/life-long learning) is that without full curricula based on such, we don't know if we produce a better 'product' in the end, but without knowing, it is difficult to get whole programs to change the pedagogy.

In the end, I'm not sure there really is that much disagreement here...it is more about tone and presentation for which I am probably as responsible as some others.

Now I AM done,

rwt (fading into retirement at the end of the semester)

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Richard Tarara
Professor of Physics
Saint Mary's College

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