Re: [Phys-L] carbon wars

[John Denker <jsd@av8n.com>]

On 10/05/2014 01:27 PM, Folkerts, Timothy J wrote:
> * Climate models have utterly failed to model the current 18 year
> "pause".    

Nonsense!  Nonsense squared!

We have discussed this before:  Back on 05/21/2013 10:10 AM, under
the heading of "a climate of deception" I wrote:

> Among other things, he [Congressman Lamar Smith (R-Texas)]
>   says "global temperatures have held steady
> over the past 15 years".  Well ... it turns out that there was a 
> tremendous temperature spike in 1998.  Back in 2003, climate deniers
> were saying temperatures had held steady for five years.  In 2008 
> they said temperatures had held steady for 10 years.  Now it's 15 
> years.  HOWEVER ... if you go back 14 years, or 16 years, or 17 
> years, or 30 years, or 100 years, or 1000 years, you see a dramatic 
> increase.  The fact is, global temperatures are not holding steady.
> USDA plant-hardiness zones have moved northward by an entire zone.
> Glaciers are vanishing.  The sea level is rising and /accelerating/.


> If all of the models show more warming than observed, why
> should we trust the calculations?

We trust the models because they do *NOT* show "more warming than 
observed".  The models do not disagree with the data.  There is a 
lot of data, more than enough data, more than enough to let the 
trends be seen despite the occasional noise spike.

If you have a better calculation or a better model, please
let us see it.  Please be specific.