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Re: [Phys-L] quickest route



On 7/30/2013 6:39 PM, John Denker wrote:

> ...The problem is that for the globally-optimal route, the initial motion is purely vertical,
> so for any finite coefficient of friction the ball will /slip/.

Actually, the optimal initial motion is vertical ONLY if the initial velocity is zero

> Consider the globally optimal route from A to B. Obviously B must be lower than A, and
> indeed the entire route must be > lower than A. The interesting thing is that for /some/
> conditions, part of the route is even lower than B, which means the vertical component
> of the motion is non-monotonic. (Note that this feature has been missing from the
> piecewise-linear "ramp" models mentioned in this thread.) The question is: What are
> the necessary and sufficient conditions for which the optimal route spends part of its time
> below B? The usual spherical-cow approximations apply: Uniform gravitational field,
> negligible friction, et cetera

Again for an initial velocity of zero only - I guess that a terminal ascent phase occurs only
where the horizontal displacement of the target B exceeds the vertical descent to B
by a ratio pi/2 (using the definition of the cycloid)

Brian Whatcott Altus OK