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Re: [Phys-L] Comet ISON - correction



Anthony!

Is it your computer or mine?
Hiccup of your more recent two posts.

bc


On 2013, Nov 15, , at 10:06, Anthony Lapinski <Anthony_Lapinski@pds.org> wrote:

Correction: I was reading the wrong (upper) chart. ISON is in the lower
chart

Phys-L@Phys-L.org writes:
Yes, I agree that the geometry doesn't sound correct at first glance.
But the question to ask may be whether the comet will be in a section of
the sky which, like Polaris, is visible both before and after sunset. It
need only be far enough north of the sun to be seen.

Paul


On Nov 14, 2013, at 8:44 PM, Bruce Sherwood <Bruce_Sherwood@ncsu.edu>
wrote:

Of course many objects including Polaris are visible before sunrise and
after sunset on the same day, but we're talking about an object (the
comet ISON) which is very near the Sun during these weeks and will (as
far as I can determine) never be visible at both times on the same day.
It's important not to tell people who want to try to see this comet that
they can go look for it after sunset.

Bruce


On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 3:49 PM, Paul Nord <paul.nord@valpo.edu> wrote:
Consider only that the North Star is in the sky ALL the time. For
someone in the northern hemisphere, it never sets. That should help to
explain how something may be seen both before and after sunset.

Here at about 40º N, there is a big chunk of the sky around the pole
star which is always above the horizon. Around that circle I can draw
other circles which are in the sky "most" of the time and only set
briefly at some point every 24 hours. Some parts of the sky are above
the horizon for 12 hours. And some parts of the sky (e.g. southern
constellations) never rise above the horizon.

Paul


On Nov 14, 2013, at 4:03 PM, Bruce Sherwood <Bruce_Sherwood@ncsu.edu>
wrote:

Good point, but judging from the images shown in Sky & Telescope, as
ISON
approaches the Sun it's near Mercury and Saturn in the sky, a bit
below but
near the ecliptic plane, so not visible after sunset. Then, something
I'd
missed in the article, the closest approach to the Sun is about Nov.
28, so
close that it may disintegrate due to extreme heating and tidal
effects. If
it does emerge, the images shown for the first few days in December
show it
moving nearly vertical, so definitely not visible after sunset.

Bruce



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