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Re: [Phys-L] Private schools

If a kid is "booted out" of a private school, or charter school, or magnet
school, where do you think he ends up?! He isn't allowed to just sit home,
and IS entitled to an education, so he goes back to whatever local school
he qualifies for. As to what he can be "booted" for, it depends on the
rules which apply to that specific school.

Charters, in the current meaning of the term, ARE part of a local school
district, but as with private entities, have selection (and retention)
'flexibility' not accorded to the 'normal' district schools. The school
you're describing sounds more like the magnet schools my district adopted
many decades ago to promote desegregation. We may, in fact, have been the
first district in the state to do this. A lottery to choose students who
would then have access to a particular magnet's programs: technology, arts,
3 R's, etc. Demographics to reflect the demographics fo the district as a
whole. Your magnet program appears to be 'traditional values' - behave
yourself, apply yourself, your education depends on YOU, not someone else.
Laudable, but the 'normal' district schools do not have that luxury and
will have to deal with your rejects.

The point attempting to be made is that schools that are not 'normal'
district schools almost certainly have students who are, in some way,
'selected'. Either they have parents with the means to pay the freight, or
they have passed some entrance screening. They tend to be children of
parents who actually care what they're doing and who tend to be better
educated themselves. They tend to have two parents. They tend to speak
and write english competently. These are all things recognized as
promoting (or, more accurately, being correlated with) success in school.

And no, Bob, we're not making it up as we go along. Martyand I have
actually BEEN in public school service in our careers, not observing it
from the outside.
On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 11:18 PM, LaMontagne, Bob <RLAMONT@providence.edu>wrote:

Do you make this up as you go along? Our college has a partnership with a
local charter and two people from my department have been on the board.
Once a student is in, he's in. The student can be booted out of school
(suspended) for disruptive behavior, but cannot be booted to another school
in the district.

Bob at PC

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Subject: Re: [Phys-L] Private schools

That is a misnomer... the lottery is composed of those students whose
parents were interested enough to enter the lottery in the first place. Of
those, the retention is selective to those who obey the rules. They have
kicked out students who disobey or whose parents do not attend meetings and
conferences. Then they go back to the lottery non-winners to choose the
next one.

On Jul 9, 2012, at 3:56 PM, LaMontagne, Bob wrote:



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Subject: Re: [Phys-L] Private schools

On 07/09/2012 06:47 AM, Jeff Bigler wrote:

As I occasionally say to my students, "Where's That From?"--acronym
intended.

ROTFL here. That's a keeper.

I'm finding that,
compared with the charter school, my public-school students ........

I realize it is conventional to speak of charter schools as being
disjoint from
the public schools, but one could argue for the following taxonomy
instead:

schools
/ \
/ \
/ \
publicly private
funded & \
tested \
/ \ \
/ \ \
/ \ \
district charter truly
public public private
schools schools schools

(see also below)

As always, I don't want to argue about the terminology, and I would be
delighted if somebody could suggest some better terminology, but the
underlying point remains: I find it helpful to distinguish charter
schools from
_district_ schools (rather than from "public" schools).
*) In some ways, the charter schools are unlike the district schools,
for instance in having more selective admissions and selective
retention. This is an important distinction; however ...


[LaMontagne, Bob]
Depends where you live. Our charter schools in RI admit students by
lottery.
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