Re: [Phys-l] Glass's "The Fate of Public Education in America"; an Alternate View

[Jack Uretsky <jlu@hep.anl.gov>]

Hi Joe-
	As an occasional and expeienced adjunct, I think your point is 
well taken.  Let's just say that Glass's characterization is overbroad.
The relevant issue is, should adjuncts be paid more?  I don't know about 
that, but I firmly believe that they should be used less.
						Regards,
							Jack

"Trust me.  I have a lot of experience at this."
		General Custer's unremembered message to his men,
		just before leading them into the Little Big Horn Valley




On Wed, 16 Jun 2010, Joseph Bellina wrote:

> Notice that Ann is an Adjunct Faculty member, not a tenured faculty
> member.  If you check with the AAUP you will find that there is a
> concern about the underpayment of adjuncts as academic institutions
> try to save money by lowering costs.
>
> joe
>
> Joseph J. Bellina, Jr. Ph.D.
> Professor of Physics
> Saint Mary's College
> Notre Dame, IN 46556
>
> On Jun 16, 2010, at 12:43 AM, Jack Uretsky wrote:
>
> > "they underpay teachers"?
> >   The University and state college salaries are matters of public
> > record.
> > Have you looked?  Let's talk numbers.
> >  					Regards,
> >  						Jack
> >
> > "Trust me.  I have a lot of experience at this."
> >  		General Custer's unremembered message to his men,
> >  		just before leading them into the Little Big Horn Valley
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 15 Jun 2010, Ann Reagan wrote:
> >
> > > > So, quote all the studies you want. All the studies are
> > > > meaningless in the present system and the changes you cite will only
> > > > make matters worse by eliminating the kids who are interested in
> > > > education leaving behind the masses who are not
> > > > interested in being there.
> > >
> > > So is your solution to leave the status quo so everyone is as (un)
> > > educated as the least common denominator; i.e., those who want to
> > > learn least? Why must you make it an "either-or" situation? The
> > > public education system as is can remain as a safety net like
> > > social security or public housing or food assistance, but let
> > > those who want to leave GO. Do not deny them the opportunity to
> > > achieve to their highest potential just because they were born
> > > into inner city poverty.
> > >
> > > As far as "real world" examples, why is it that this debate is non-
> > > existent among the state colleges and universities? They are also
> > > funded with tax dollars. They also underpay teachers. Could it be
> > > that the colleges and universities offer the ultimate example of
> > > "school choice".
> > >
> > > Competition works.
> > >
> > > Dr. Ann M. Reagan
> > > Adjunct Faculty
> > > Department of Math/Physics/Engineering
> > > College of Southern Maryland, Leonardtown Campus
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