Re: [Phys-l] Glass's "The Fate of Public Education in America"; an Alternate View

[curtis osterhoudt <flutzpah@yahoo.com>]

  They certainly do, compared to, say, industry or (some) National Labs. Where I work (a National Lab, though arguably one of the most overpaid ones), *master's students* make more than many State University tenure-track professors; post-docs usually make more than full physics professors; beginning "Scientist"s make more than 10+ year tenured profs. 

   I intend to quit soon, and attempt to find a teaching/research position at a college or university. I'll be hard-pressed to find one that will offer me 2/3 of what I currently make, and for an arguably much more important job. 



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From: Jack Uretsky <jlu@hep.anl.gov>
To: Forum for Physics Educators <phys-l@carnot.physics.buffalo.edu>
Sent: Tue, June 15, 2010 10:43:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Phys-l] Glass's "The Fate of Public Education in America"; an  Alternate View

"they underpay teachers"?
  The University and state college salaries are matters of public record. 
Have you looked?  Let's talk numbers.
                    Regards,
                        Jack

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        General Custer's unremembered message to his men,
        just before leading them into the Little Big Horn Valley




On Tue, 15 Jun 2010, Ann Reagan wrote:

> > So, quote all the studies you want. All the studies are meaningless in the present system and the changes you cite will only
> > make matters worse by eliminating the kids who are interested in education leaving behind the masses who are not
> > interested in being there.
>
> So is your solution to leave the status quo so everyone is as (un)educated as the least common denominator; i.e., those who want to learn least? Why must you make it an "either-or" situation? The public education system as is can remain as a safety net like social security or public housing or food assistance, but let those who want to leave GO. Do not deny them the opportunity to achieve to their highest potential just because they were born into inner city poverty.
>
> As far as "real world" examples, why is it that this debate is non-existent among the state colleges and universities? They are also funded with tax dollars. They also underpay teachers. Could it be that the colleges and universities offer the ultimate example of "school choice".
>
> Competition works.
>
> Dr. Ann M. Reagan
> Adjunct Faculty
> Department of Math/Physics/Engineering
> College of Southern Maryland, Leonardtown Campus
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