Re: [Phys-l] Cramster et al.

[Bernard Cleyet <bernardcleyet@redshift.com>]

It is for this very reason (minimum benefit) that in England (at least under Harold wilson's socialist government**), students obtain council grants for their living expenses, and the U is free.  "New Labour" replaced Clause IV in 1995.  I don't know what effect that had - or what Maggie did.

I suspect most of Europe ensures students have a maximum benefit.

Don't bet on it here as long as the gov't is wedded to capitalism.   

Under the "Pat" Brown administration the UC was tuition-less.  The only fee was the "incidental fee ($57), which included subsidy for campus orgs.   



** Clause IV

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clause_IV


bc "sees'" the US becoming a third world country.


On 2010, May 12, , at 20:42, Jack Uretsky wrote:

> Hi all-
> 	I would add to Michael's comments the following observation:
> I observed Community college students arriving at school an hour, or so, 
> before class and sitting down to do their homework, often with earphones 
> attached to their heads.  Often, I was told, they had worked at night jobs 
> the night before and were tryng to do homework in the only time available 
> to them.  To the extent that they are "working their way through college". 
> often claimed as a commendable enterprise, they are guaranteed to be 
> getting minimum benefit from the college experience.  Perhaps there are 
> steps we can take to help such people.
> 				Regards,
> 					Jack