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Re: [Phys-l] special ed/relativity



I think Denker has basically insulted everyone who is teaching physics without doing dot products and 4-space relativity. He seems to have no sense that there are many different goals for College level physics courses -- sometimes they are ABOUT physics rather than about being able to DO physics. The students--the vast majority come into these courses (non science, non engineering students) as Aristotelian thinkers and we work quite hard to get some of them to move into the 17th Century and become Newtonian thinkers. That takes almost a whole semester and is only partially successful (but I personally do OK at it). It would be unfair, in my mind, to leave it at that when these students will never take any more science, so there is some introduction of more modern ideas. The one that can catch their attention pretty well is special relativity. I have 3 days for this! It is done totally at the conceptual level--OK I write down the gamma factor to show those who are more Algebraic (there are a few) why things get 'crazy' near the speed of light, but basically we start with the postulates, then what kind of phenomena those postulates suggest, and then the evidence that any of that happens. Once again, the main point here is to show that the Newtonian model we've been working with is insufficient. This is about the way science works and progresses--moving from one model to the next better model etc.

Everyone who teaches this level of student recognizes the problems I outlined and we will not be intimidated by the insults John is throwing out here--just the subject line is enough (so I've deleted the rest of the post). The overall level of students may not be quite as bad as I make it sound--they actually write pretty well and can use Excel quite nicely--but algebraic ratios are a 'no-go' and dot products, vectors in general, calculus in particular, are not in their current toolkits--all conveniently forgotten since HS (if they ever knew such). I guess John would sweep the schools clear of such students--might help the taxpayers since it would empty many a school!

I'd make more pithy statements about John's attitude here, but I'd like to stay on this list. ;-)

Rick


----- Original Message ----- From: "John Denker" <jsd@av8n.com>