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Re: [Phys-l] The Swinging Bucket Problem



Dave Van Domelen (2007) in his PhysLrnR post of 21 Sep 2007 titled "The Swinging Bucket Problem" wrote [bracketed by lines "DDDDD. . . ."; my insert at ". . . .[insert]. . . .":

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I'm curious as to whether anyone knows of research that's been done on. . . . ["The Swinging Bucket Problem"]. . . . (I'll go journal hunting if no one knows, but it's the sort of thing that I suspect might be hard to find by name).

When introducing centripetal force, one of the classic examples is the "how fast do I have to spin a bucket in a vertical circle to avoid water spilling out?" problem. It's got plenty of subtleties to help divide those who really understand the situation from the plug and chuggers (for instance, anyone who draws tension in as a force on the water is probably not thinking too carefully about the situation).
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Pretty consistently, almost everyone in my sections gets things correct from the "mg = mv^2/r" point onward. . . . . . . . . . . . . However, almost no one even comes close to setting it up correctly. Centripetal force is usually included as one of the component forces (often pointing outward!) and the acceleration is taken to be zero. Other combinations of incorrect or misdirected forces show up, such as tensions, or outward-directed normal forces. But no matter how off-track they start, they always get to "mg = mv^2/r" from it. Only a handful had explanations that came close to sketching out why centripetal force is equal to weight, and explicit mention of how the Normal force is zero at the minimum speed almostnever comes up.
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Although the above student difficulties are well known to most physics teachers, I know of no research that's been published that's specifically on the "Swinging Bucket Problem."

However, if one wished to undertake such research, a possible starting point is the section "Water Bucket Swing" on page 10 of the online version of "Socratic pedagogy in the introductory physics lab" [Hake (1992)].

For further ideas on the swinging bucket problem go to the powerful but seldom used PhysLrnR search engine <http://listserv.boisestate.edu/cgi-bin/wa?S1=physlrnr&X=->, and type "bucket" (without the quotes) into the "Search for" slot, to obtain 13 hits (as of 21 Sep 2007 15:27:00 -0700. To access the archives of PhysLnR one needs to subscribe, but that takes only a few minutes by clicking on [<http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/physlrnr.html> and then clicking on "Join or leave the list (or change settings)." If you're busy, then subscribe using the "NOMAIL" option under "Miscellaneous." Then, as a subscriber, you may access the archives and/or post messages at any time, while receiving NO MAIL from the list!


Richard Hake, Emeritus Professor of Physics, Indiana University
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REFERENCES
Hake, R.R. 1992. "Socratic pedagogy in the introductory physics lab," Phys. Teach. 30: 546-552; updated version (4/27/98) online at <http://www.physics.indiana.edu/~sdi/SocPed1.pdf>
(88 kB). See also Hake (1998, 2002, 2003)

Hake, R.R. 1998. Socratic Dialogue Inducing (SDI) Lab #3 "Circular Motion and Frictional Forces," online at <http://www.physics.indiana.edu/~sdi>. A Teacher's Guide for SDI Lab #3 <sdi3gTchAll.pdf> (764 kB) will be transmitted as an attachment in an email to those who request it from <rrhake@earthlink.net>.

Hake. R.R. 2002. "Socratic Dialogue Inducing Laboratory Workshop," "Proceedings of the UNESCO-ASPEN Workshop on Active Learning in Physics," Univ. of Peradeniya, Sri Lanka,
2-4 Dec 2002; online at <http://www.physics.indiana.edu/~hake/Hake-SriLanka-SDIb.pdf>
(44 kB) [ASPEN = ASian Physics Education Network.]

Hake, R.R. 2003. "Re: Uniform Circular Motion Lab," online at <http://tinyurl.com/33n6xr>. Post of 15 Jan 2003 21:11:05-0800 to AP-Physics, Physhare, Phys-L, & PhysLrnR.

Van Domelen, D. 2007. "The Swinging Bucket Problem," PhysLrnR post of 21 Sep 2007 08:55:40-0700; online at <http://tinyurl.com/2uk46x>.