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Joel Rauber
Department of Physics - SDSU
Joel.Rauber@sdstate.edu
605-688-4293
| -----Original Message-----
| From: phys-l-bounces@carnot.physics.buffalo.edu
| [mailto:phys-l-bounces@carnot.physics.buffalo.edu] On Behalf
| Of Jack Uretsky
| Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 12:41 PM
| To: Forum for Physics Educators
| Subject: Re: [Phys-l] Reading PER literature
|
| There was a talk (copied on the web) by Goodstein (Cal Tech)
| pointing out that the US is doing graduate science education
| for the world, while U.S.
| students can't make it into our grad schools. He was
| deploring the state of US undergard education. He was
| certainly knowledgeable about the admissions policies
| respecting physics grad students at Cal Tech.
| Regards,
| Jack
|
| On Wed, 6 Dec 2006, John Clement wrote:
|
| > One interpretation is that there is a problem with
| education in their
| > countries. It could be that the prestigious schools there
| are full,
| > or the social climate here is alluring.
| >
| > As to superiority of American schools, this is often a self
| fulfilling
| > prophesy. When a school is considered superior people send their
| > budding geniuses there and viola, it has better test scores
| and superior graduates.
| > My kids school is precisely one of those. Schools ratings are
| > actually completely independent of the education. They
| don't do good
| > pre and posttesting to see if the graduates have "learned"
| more. It
| > is the old computer adage GIGO "garbage in garbage out" or in this
| > case genius in, genious out.
| >
| > John M. Clement
| > Houston, TX
| >>
| >>
| >> | > Keep talking about how more and more physics & science grad
| >> | > students
| >> | are
| >> | > from other countries.
| >> | > Fine. Do something about it. Teach differently.
| >> |
| >> | Hmmm. But many of them study here, so what does THAT say?
| >> | --- That says that our schools are good. It doesn't say
| that there
| >> | is no room for improvement in teaching methods.
| >> |
| >>
| >> There are, of course, other interpretations of that data that are
| >> likely to be of equal value.
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