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Re: [Phys-l] Collision of irregular bodies




----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Whatcott" <betwys1@sbcglobal.net>
To: "Forum for Physics Educators" <phys-l@carnot.physics.buffalo.edu>
Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2006 9:35 AM
Subject: Re: [Phys-l] Collision of irregular bodies


At 07:42 AM 8/12/2006, you wrote:
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Whatcott" <betwys1@sbcglobal.net>
To: "Forum for Physics Educators" <phys-l@carnot.physics.buffalo.edu>
Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 11:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Phys-l] Collision of irregular bodies


> At 06:19 PM 8/11/2006, you wrote:
>>In the absence of tangential effects (friction or an equivalent) >>wouldn't
>>any forces have to act perpendicularly to the surfaces at the point of
>>contact? I'm assuming that this is what is intended by the term >>"action
>>reaction pair". I suppose this would be problematic if one "surface"
>>consisted of an infinitely sharp point, but otherwise I'm not sure how >>the
>>force directions can be different?
>
> Two irregular smooth bodies can meet at a point or several points,
> a line or several lines, a surface patch or several surface patches
> or any combination of these.

Ok, I have to admit that I was visualizing a single point of contact.
Perhaps that was not what the op intended, but I thought that it was.

> If this third case comprised an object with an extrusive conical > surface,
> and another object with an intrusive matching, coaxial conical > surface,
> though exceptionally unlikely in the physics model universe, this > union
> would initially act like a high friction contact, no matter if the
> surfaces
> were friction -free except if one rotated wrt the other on that axis.

Agreed. Now how about for a single point of contact? Can the mass
distribution, etc affect the direction of force as John D. implied?

Yes. Would you care for imaginary examples?

Yes, please. I'm having difficulty seeing how that (forces NOT normal to the surfaces, and in the absence of tangential forces) could happen.