[Phys-L] Re: What students will do. (was: Physics Solutions Manual)

[Jack Uretsky <jlu@HEP.ANL.GOV>]

On Wed, 8 Feb 2006, Rauber, Joel wrote:

> Jack,
>
> Out of curiousity, what was your answer?

        About 5 minutes, covering the following topics:
1. My job is to teach you how to learn for yourself.
2. When you go out into the world, the problems you will face will be
different from the ones we are solving here.  You are learning methods,
not specific answers.
3. Most of what I know, especially in mathematics, I've learned for
myself; this is also true of my colleagues.  You will have to do the same
if you become an engineer or a researcher.
4.  A purpose of reading is to learn how other people think, so that you
can copy their thinking patterns.

Maybe nmore -I forget.
                                Regards,
                                        Jack






> ________________________
> Joel Rauber
> Department of Physics - SDSU
>
> Joel.Rauber@sdstate.edu
> 605-688-4293
>
>
>
> | -----Original Message-----
> | From: Forum for Physics Educators
> | [mailto:PHYS-L@list1.ucc.nau.edu] On Behalf Of Jack Uretsky
> | Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 3:31 PM
> | To: PHYS-L@LISTS.NAU.EDU
> | Subject: Re: What students will do. (was: Physics Solutions Manual)
> |
> | Hi all-
> |         Stop me if I've told this one.
> |         A few years ago I was teaching a statics class to
> | some juniors at a nearby university.  I assigned homework and
> | reading weekly.  One student said to me:  "Why do I have to
> | read this stuff?  What are they paying you for?"  I hope it
> | is needless to say that I had an anwer for him.
> |                                         Regards,
> |                                                 Jack
> |
> | On Wed, 8 Feb 2006, Bernard Cleyet wrote:
> |
> | > Thanks, George.
> | >
> | > Even w/ a free text some won't read it.  The last week of
> | my ten week
> | > stint teaching Chem. at North High several of my "A"
> | students admitted
> | > they never opened the text except to do the assigned chapter end
> | > problems.  They said they got all they needed from my lectures.  A
> | > left handed compliment on my teaching?
> | >
> | > bc, if he had the chance would now minimize the "direct" method
> | >
> | > Spagna Jr., George wrote:
> | >
> | >> Bernard asks
> | >>
> | >>
> | >>
> | >>> p.s. George, did you readopt a text because their grades
> | plummeted?
> | >>>
> | >>>
> | >>
> | >> And Joel adds
> | >>
> | >>
> | >>
> | >>> Or because you got tired of listening to the complaints on student
> | >>>
> | >>>
> | >> evaluations?
> | >>
> | >>
> | >>
> | >>> Or, what was the reason?
> | >>>
> | >>>
> | >>
> | >> It's a bit more complicated - top grades slipped a little,
> | and more
> | >> students "fell off" the bottom of the distribution.  More
> | >> importantly, it became clear that by not using a set
> | textbook we were
> | >> apparently
> | >>
> | >>
> | >>
> | >
> | > cut
> | >
> |
> | --
> | "Trust me.  I have a lot of experience at this."
> |                 General Custer's unremembered message to his men,
> |                 just before leading them into the Little Big
> | Horn Valley
> |

--
"Trust me.  I have a lot of experience at this."
                General Custer's unremembered message to his men,
                just before leading them into the Little Big Horn Valley
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