[Phys-L] Re: Off Topic (Oil Über Alles) - delete if uninterested

[Bernard Cleyet <anngeorg@PACBELL.NET>]

I think that is the answer; I'll add some detail.  I'm rather certain
all the oil will be recovered and sold w/ two "caveats".  One (repeating
Mark), if alternative energy is very successful, less oil will be
recovered because of peak oil. [after peak oil recovery becomes
progressively more expensive; while alternatives likely become less
expensive.]  Two, the current capitalistic zeitgeist is profits as
quickly as possible -- with Kyoto profits will come (possible exception
above), but less quickly.

bc, amateur economist.

Shapiro, Mark wrote:
> I suspect that they are of the opinion that they will not be able to sell as much coal and oil

  if the Kyoto protocols are in place, and that they will face increased
competition from alternative sources

  of energy such as nuclear that do not produce as much carbon dioxide.
> Dr. Mark H. Shapiro
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  On Behalf Of Rauber, Joel
> Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 2:56 PM
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> Subject: Off Topic (Oil �ber Alles) - delete if uninterested
>
> I'm a little puzzled as to what the motivation for an oil company or a coal company would be to be anti-Kyoto.  Even with Kyoto accords they would presumably still be selling oil and coal and making profits.  Its not even clear to me that the profits would be lessened (though I'm sure convoluted or maybe not so convoluted scenarios can be weaved to the contrary.)
>
> ________________________
> Joel Rauber
> Department of Physics - SDSU
>
> Joel.Rauber@sdstate.edu
> 605-688-4293
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>
> | -----Original Message-----
> | From: Forum for Physics Educators
> | [mailto:PHYS-L@list1.ucc.nau.edu] On Behalf Of Bernard Cleyet
> | Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 3:02 PM
> | To: PHYS-L@LISTS.NAU.EDU
> | Subject: Oil �ber Alles
> |
> | EXXON MOBIL BACKED GROUP TRYING TO RUIN ECO-AGREEMENT
> |
> | ANDREW BUNCOMBE, INDEPENDENT, UK  - A detailed and disturbing
> | strategy document has revealed an extraordinary American plan
> | to destroy Europe's support for the Kyoto treaty on climate
> | change. The ambitious, behind-the-scenes plan was passed to
> | The Independent this week, just as 189 countries are
> | painfully trying to agree the second stage of Kyoto at the UN
> | climate conference in Montreal. It was pitched to companies
> | such as Ford Europe, Lufthansa and the German utility giant RWE.
> |
> | Put together by a lobbyist who is a senior official at a
> | group partly funded by Exxon Mobil, the world's biggest oil
> | company and a fierce opponent of anti-global warming
> | measures, the plan seeks to draw together major international
> | companies, academics, think-tanks, commentators, journalists
> | and lobbyists from across Europe into a powerful grouping to
> | destroy further EU support for the treaty.
> |
> | It details just how the so-called "European Sound Climate
> | Policy Coalition" would work. Based in Brussels, the plan
> | would have anti-Kyoto position papers, expert spokesmen,
> | detailed advice and networking instantly available to any
> | politician or company who wanted to question the wisdom of
> | proceeding with Kyoto and its demanding cuts in carbon
> | dioxide emissions.
> |
> | It has been drawn up by Chris Horner, a senior official with
> | the Washington-based Competitive Enterprise Institute and a
> | veteran campaigner against Kyoto and against the evidence of
> | climate change.
> | One of his colleagues � who describes himself as an adviser
> | to President George Bush � was the subject of a censure
> | motion by the Commons last year after he attacked the
> | Government's chief scientist.
> |
> | Mr Horner, whose CEI group has received almost $1.5m from
> | Exxon Mobil, is convinced that Europe could be successfully
> | influenced by such a policy coalition just as the US
> | government has been.
> |
> | http://news.independent.co.uk/environment/article331768.ece
> |
> |
> | Above requires $$, so I don't know if the article is complete.
> |
> | bc
> |
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